Chopin: Waltz opus 64 no 2
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 Difficulties with Chopin's c# minor waltz (Op. 64 #2), Più mosso part
November 05, 2009, 05:40:36 PM by leye
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Hi,
here's my first question as a "pianostreet newbie". I hope this is ok, and won't sound rude.
First let me introduce myself a little bit: I've been playing piano for some months now, though I first had ordinary keyboard lessons within a group (blame on me). That was some years ago, age 10-13/14, until I (my mother respectively) couldn't afford lessons anymore. From that time on I wasn't playing an isntrument at all, though I still was quite passionate about the piano. Even when I was playing keyboard, I preferred the adapted piano pieces, and I had a better overall improvement than my class mates had. However, we hadn't had any chance to get a piano, neither a digital one.
This changed about 1-2 years ago, after some serious struggle that I had with myself, therapy and so on, my mother bought a digital piano for me. I had some kind of "trigger" that finally made the piano to become an important part of my life. My favorite composer is Chopin, whom dragged me out of misery in some way.
Okay this topic wasn't intended to tell my life story, let me point this out though: I take piano playing very seriously, and if I could I'd play all day long. I've digged through old topics of this board, read many of bernhard's advice and also made my own research about "piano technique" (e.g. Chang's book). However recently I've started to become unhappy with my "technique", that is I think I have to improve the way I tackle the piano. It became obvious for me when I was playing Chopin's c# minor waltz, my favorite piece by the way (although there are many others by now  ).
I try to follow as many advices from bernhard and Chang, and I end up playing with these "basic principles":
- I use rotation of my hand to press the keys
- I use circular motions of my forearm or upper arm to move my hand, and
- I use the entire depth of the keys, along with the circular motion.
- Of course I use TO in fast passges.
 - My fingers are neither extremely curled nor extremely flat.
- I slant my hand/wrist to form a straight line with the finger and the forearm.
- ... And many other hints that I found here on the board or in books.
However, in the "Più mosso" part of this waltz, I hardly manage to play fast, accurate, and "fluently", that is eventually my tones sound harsh (if this can happen on a digital piano) or somehow the whole part sounds flawed, unevenly, and so on.
Perhaps one reason might be the fact that I play on a digital one, and I'm aware that I should learn on a "real" piano, yet there's no chance for me to get one sadly. Even though, I just want the part to sound more "legato", more even, soft and beautiful.
Here's what I do so far when I play this part:
- I try to use my upper arm to move my hand, and the finger only play the keys by a rotation of the hand. Although I'm not sure whether I should play many keys in one rotation (that is the 5th finger plays a key, and when the hand pronates, all the other fingers play their key) or if I should always rotate for each key.
- Since the tones are distant from each other, I have to move the hand within 1-2 octaves. This I try with a circular movement of the upper arm, but I'm not sure whether I do this right. If I move the hand with the upper arm, should the angle between forearm and upper arm always be the same?
- Sometimes my hand is stretched to get the fingers ready to play their key. You have to imagine that I try to play the keys very fast, and the fingers should be "in place" to quickly play the key one after another. I don't know if the hand should be stretched in that way all the time ...
The last point describes the way I was practicing this part: using chord attacks. I press as many keys as possible at one time, then try to "roll" or "shake" the hand to get a broken chord. However, it's because of this chord attack that my hand is always stretched, and I don't think it's the right way to play this part of fast notes ... Sooner or later it just doesn't feel right, and the tones sound uneven.
Sometimes I exaggerate and try to keep my hand in its natural position. However playing fast and evenly still is a problem. After all, I wonder if my approach is simply false, and I have to use something completely different. Or I have to improve my "technique", because playing fast still is difficult for me (for instance in other pieces with fast runs like the end of Chopin's Nocturne #2). Is something wrong with the way I use my hand and my arm to play piano?
Big words from a newbie, I wonder if anyone can help me with my problem. I'm particularly curious about what bernhard would say. I know he is gone, but perhaps there's someone who understands him well ...
I'm afraid that I demand too much, however I appreciate all the hints you can tell me. I'd love to hear your opinions.
Respectfully
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Waltz by chopin op?
January 14, 2008, 01:58:01 PM by frigo
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I have hear a "waltz in C sharp minor" by chopin but it hasn't the opus number. I have a problem in my computer's audio functions that stop me from searching for it on the internet, because the only thing I have is the music on a cd that gives less information about pieces than it should.
Can someone tell me the opus? I give some clues: it is a very beautifull waltz that starts with some dissonant chords (I don't know if they are really dissonants, but they seem when listening) in the lower times that fall in a whirlpool of notes that finishes resting on a beatifull sequence of sharped notes.
Anyone knows?
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Questions in two Chopin scores
February 15, 2007, 10:24:41 PM by aaron_ginn
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Generally, I can read music, but I'm a little confused by a couple of things in two Chopin scores I've been playing around with. First, in the Op. 10 No. 1 Etude in C, the very first measure contains a left-hand octave in C held for eight beats; however, the first note in the right hand is the 1/16 note played on the same note after a 1/16 rest. How do you play that C in the RH if you're already holding it in the LH? Is it simply written so that your hand starts out playing the full C arpeggio? Is it not actually audible in the RH? I don't get it.
My next question concerns the Op. 64 No. 2 Waltz in C# minor. In measure three in the RH, there are two accidentals on the F, first a natural followed immediately by a sharp. What does this mean, and which of the two takes precedence here? In the previous measure, F has a double-sharp. Is the natural there simply to cancel out the double sharp and make sure I don't interpret it as a triple-sharp? That seems unnecessary as an accidental only is in effect for a single measure.
TIA.
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Chopin's Waltz in c-sharp op. 64 no. 2
December 23, 2004, 01:53:15 AM by Glissando
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I'm learning it. It's so increadibly gorgeous! I have a recording of Horowitz playing it and I just love it.
Although it's 6 pages long there's only -3 pages to learn because of all the repeats. So it shouldn't take me long, maybe I'll be able to play it for my next recital.
My favorite part to play is the second page, the RH part is so fun! You're just cascading down the keyboard and then racing back up..... love it. Sounds hard but it really isn't.
The whole thing is beautiful, I love the middle section as well.
Anyway, has anyone else played this piece? Any performance tips?
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Chopin's op64/no2 waltz (evenness in Piu Mosso section)
November 04, 2004, 04:44:23 AM by goalevan
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Hey all, I've been working on chopin - op.64 no.2 for a while now and I have all the notes memorized and can play through it all fairly well. The problem I'm having is with the evenness in:
1) the "flow" and evenness of the timing for each note after the other.
2) keeping the volume of each note relatively quiet and even with the fast moving left hand especially.
I can handle the ascending chromatic sequence well, it's mostly just the 454321 parts and the quick ascending notes in measures 40-41 that I'm having trouble keeping even.
are there any exercises or techniques I can implement into my practice to smooth out this section?
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