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Since my piano teacher is on vacation for the next two weeks I turn to you to keep me from playing this wrong for the next 14 days.
I'm confused by the 13th measure in this piece: http://trumpet.sdsu.edu/Bach_Invention/invention1.htm
If I'm reading the notes correctly the 8th note on the treble clef is an E.
The corresponding note on the bass is the same E
Am I reading this wrong??? |
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| Here are my interpetation on Bach´s 2 part inventions. Coments most welcome. |
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Hi everybody. I'm Gian Franco, I play the piano since February, this year. Please, send me suggestions about any mistake that I probably do playing this piece. Thanks and bye. By the way, I play on a Clavinova CLP-170, couse I don't have access to an acoustic piano
Gian Franco Zabarino |
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Does anyone have any idea which is the definitive edition of this piece?
I have one score which tells me to play at 120bpm, and has minimal ornamentation. I have another which tells me to play at 66bpm. And the recordings vary even more!
There is an excellent thread about these pieces, with posts from Bernhard and others. And this has been most helpful, but it didnt answer this question for me.
So who do you play this one? What would be a good tempo to play at?
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I am practicing the number 1 Invention (BWv772).
This is my very first piece. I could not resist trying it.
My Yamaha P90 digital piano plays the first trill (in the first measure): b-a-b
(This made me play all trills in the same manner).
Now I see in this forum (and elsewhere) that this trill should be played. c-b-c-b instead.
Even if this i not as harmonic (?) as the mordent it makes the trill stand out better (?).
(Still another alternative would be a "turn": c-b-a-b)
So I will try to change at least some of my misunderstood-mordents to trills.
The first three is quite straight forward (at least I think so) and I have changed them.
Then to the fourth trill in measure 8. Trill on f#: g-f#-g-f#.
Before the trill I play the notes g-a-b-c-a-b-g with my fingers 1-2-3-4 (1=thumb)
that is: g(1)-a(2)-b(3)-c(4)-a(2)-b(3)-g(1)
So shall I trill with fingers 1-2 : g(1)-f#(2)-g(1)-f#(2) (quite hard)
or trill with fingers 3-2: g(3)-f#(2)-g(3)-f#(2) ( not so hard but do not fit with the other fingering so well)
or change everyting to what ? :-\
Göran/Sweden. |
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| When I first learned the phrasing in Invention no.1, I had to exaggerate. Now I need to tone it down, but I'm really unsure about how to do so. My teacher played for me, and in some parts I didn't hear the phrasing at all. But if I try to play like that, I end up not playing the phrasings. Help? |
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Hi. I have set myself out to learn the inventions. I got almost five of them going fairly well. My problem is that I have discovered that my edition differs from others concerning ornaments and fingering, so I need to find out what's corrcect. Are the versions found at http://www.sheetmusicarchive.net correct? In the edition I've got (wich by the way claims to be urtext), the ornaments in #1 are:
bar 1: B4 trillo
bar 2: F5 trillo
bar 5: C5 mordent
bar 6: B4 trillo
bar 8: F#4 trillo
bar 13: D4 trillo
bar 14: C5 trillo
The fingering differs to and there is one passage where I have a little problem to get it sound smooth, which clearly can be heard when using harpsichord sound. It's the left hand in bar 11. The indicated fingering is 3123 4231 2123 4234 and at beat 3 the thumb has to play Bb and then go to A. Should I change fingering or is it just a matter of more practice?
The version found at the link above is good because the ornaments are written out. I usually guess if I should start the trillos on the upper key, but then I risk being busted by the Bachpolice ;D. |
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| In the Bach C major 2 part invention, there are mordent signs (or are these trills according to Bach's time?) above the notes in the Henle edition. The sign is above a B, I have been playing that ornament as follows- B-C-B. In the Schirmer edition, that ornament is written out as B-A-B (Inverted Mordent?). I know ornamentation was not standardized in Bach's time, but what is the correct execution of that ornament? Also, is it better to do the 2 part inventions, then proceed to the 3 part and finally to the well-tempered clavier? Is this a logical way to go? |
Invention no 1 PS Urtext