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 Beethoven Sonata in F minor
April 22, 2008, 02:10:08 PM by ridr27
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In Beethoven's Sonata in F minor Op. 2 No. 1, Allegro:
When a note is already Flat in the Key Signature and one is added to the note:
Would that make it a double flat?
Examples: Measure 116, added flat to A; Measure 118, added flats to B and D; Measure 120 added flat to B.
I have tried to make sense of this but noting if the preceeding measure had made them natural and thusly it was just *added* as supposed help (which actually usually confuses me....LOL)
Hope all this is clear enough question for an answer.
A confused Rider27
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Beethoven op2no1 and a more general question regarding long pieces
February 25, 2008, 03:15:55 AM by feddera
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Hi everyone! 
So, I plan on getting all 4 movements of Beethovens first sonata ready for perfomance around july/august. I have just spent the past six weeks memorising the first movement, and while it's far from perfect (need better trills and dynamics), five more months should be plenty of time. After reading around this forum, I decided working on all the movements at the same time would be a better idea.
The 4th movement seemed like the hardest one, so I started working on the first 5 bars with the LH, and the ending with my RH. Well, it's been three days, and i can only manage those sections at 160 bpm comfortably, it falls apart around 180, and there is no way I can play that at 208. I have seen suggestions to learn hands seperate at 140% the final speed, which in this case means like, 300 bpm. Is that even possible? My question to those who have learnt this piece (or similiar pieces), is how much time do you need to reach the final speed? Maybe I am impatient after just three days, but I have never played anything this fast and I have no idea what is normal.
I guess I could always learn the entire thing hands together at 160 bpm and increase the speed gradually from there, but according to most here that is the "old fashioned" way to do it? But on the other hand, if I can play those two sections at 208 bpm, the rest of the piece is really just memorising.
And yes, the more general question. This is the longest piece I have worked on, my first Beethoven-sonata and my only multi-movement piece. How much time is "ok" to use on a piece like this? Is 6 months to much, to little or just right? I'm sure it depends on skill-level etc. but some general pointers would be nice 
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Beethoven Op. 2 No. 1 - How to use the pedal?
December 25, 2007, 12:08:48 PM by opus57
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Hi all together
I just practice the first movement of Beethovens first piano sonata and I wonder how I should use the pedal. Sometimes I think it would be nice to use it but I'm not sure how. Has anybody some advice for me?
Thank you very much and merry X-mas 
Opus57
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Beethoven Op. 2 No. 1 - Allegro (Performance Practice)
November 12, 2007, 12:07:09 PM by mcgillcomposer
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In an attempt to stray from the philosophically charged posts that occupy so much space on this forum, I would like to post something that focuses more on musical thinking.
I have heard many recordings and live performances of this work, and have noticed that some people choose to rit. leading into the fermata at the end of the first eight measures. Sometimes it is just in the last measure, but other times, the rit. occurs much earlier.
I know that many will say it is a question of interpretation, and I have no choice but to accept this. Nonetheless, I don't agree with it for many reasons and, in fact, think that it is simply incorrect to do a rit. at this particular place.
Please let me know what you think/do and give me a musical reason for your view.
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Beethoven Op. 2 No. 1
August 16, 2007, 09:27:45 PM by mcgillcomposer
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Let's start with the first 8 bears of the opening movement. Who can give me the standard formal analysis?
1) 2 bar basic idea that is seperated into two parts: rocket theme (f minor arpeggio), and the triplet figure...harmony = I
2) 
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DUEL: kd vs rallestar, Beethoven sonata op. 2/1, mvts I & II
August 15, 2007, 10:04:01 AM by kd
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I'm not fully satisfied with this, but I entered a duel and obey the Wolfi's rule, so here it comes...
EDIT: now we have two versions of the 1st movement. I've created a poll. Share your opinions and vote!
Important notice: A poster who chooses the option 'I play it better' agrees to post his own performance of the 1st movement 
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Tips for L-H arpeggios in the last movement of Op 2 no 1
February 12, 2007, 10:08:25 PM by steve_m
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In The last movement of Beethoven's first sonata, does anyone have any tips for executing the left hand arpeggios going down the piano where you have to pass the thumb under (such as bar 3) and then again going up where you have to bring the pointer or middle finger over the thumb (Such as bar 5)?
These things are pretty tricky. I have it to a point where I can do it relatively good, but I still miss more often than I'd like.
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Beethoven Sonata Op2 No1 4th mvt
October 22, 2006, 05:27:19 AM by jamie_liszt
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I didn't have trouble with the first 3 mvts but this last mvt is killing me. I am having a hard time getting it up to speed (prestissimo - 200bpm on the metronome is my goal) my teacher said to me it shouldn't be very difficult to play it at prestissimo. I heard Richter playing it on some video on eMule and the speed he plays it at isnt even on my metronome, lol.
Has anyone got any tips on how to speed this beats up?
If anyone has played this piece before, did you have trouble playing it this fast?
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Re: what should i play
September 30, 2006, 04:48:52 PM by gonzalo
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hi,
i'm new here in this forum. I thing it's a great forum where you can learn very much.
I'm from holland so sorry if the english is not always correct.
But i'm playing things as pathetique 3t movement. Some of mozarts sonata's such as
k331 en k279 k 280. And i don't know what to play now. I love sonatas of beethoven. But i know that waldstein or appassionata is to difficult.
i'm curious what you guys are playing and what you liked the most.
tnx
A mozart sonata you can try is K 282, and a Beethoven sonata you can give a go to is Op.79, or op.2 nš1
Take care,
Gonzalo
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