Chopin: Etude opus 25 no 11
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| Chopin op 25 no11 and Scriabin op8 no 12 etudes...Played for a summer seminar 4 years ago.The recording is not very clear and there are some noises but you can understand...What's your opinion?all comments accepted :) |
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Hello,
I want to begin to explore the study of Chopin Op 25 No 11 because I find it very beautiful, but also very difficult.
I does not take piano lessons, so I would like to know if the fingering of the partitions that I found on the Internet is the best.
I joined to my message the first descent of piece
What do you think of the fingering on the right hand on the first descent?
Is that the most used by most pianists, as in these videos?
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T77OMdP6_ww[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kql_ztVUjOA[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZ8rG8DFYAg[/url]
What fingering can you advise me for the whole of the descent?
I would like to apologize for my English because I am not English.
Thank you very much. |
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I spoke with a friend of mine about different Chopin Etudes and he asserted that Op. 25 No. 11 was far more difficult and beneficial to his technique than Op. 10 No. 4 or 10 No. 5.
This only works the right hand though, and for equal benefit, one would need to tackle the Godowsky study.
How hard is it?
Regards,
Daniel ;D |
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Hi,
I'm going to learn winterwind, but wanted to make sure that the edition I have, uses chopins original fingering?
My question is regarding the fingering for the big descending melody, which starts right after the short soft intro.
I have Friedman's edition, which fingers it like:
5241 3251 4251 5241 5241 5242 etc
Is this how Chopin fingered it? If not, do you know which fingering he applied for this section? There's a special reason I want to know this, because I intend to play it using his fingering, so that I really get into the technique Chopin had in mind when he wrote this piece. Thanks in Advance! |
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a brief warning.... this thread will probably be unspeakably boring and/or pointless.
i'm currently learning this piece (i've been toiling with it on and off for a few months now, but it's started to come together over the last month or so). i was just wondering if anyone here is also working on it at the moment and wanted to discuss some of the difficulties, or share some of the enjoyable or frustrating elements of learning it.
to give an idea of my progress, i've learned all of it HT except for 4 anomolous bars around the middle (i've learned it in quite a haphazard order). the only bits i'm 100% happy with are the pages 1 and 3 (the main theme, and the restatement in the the dominant), which i can play at full speed with the desired effect (i'm playing it at around 114 BPM). the second page, and the corresponding fourth page are still a little awkward, however. i can hammer through them at full speed, especially by emphasising the left hand, but i still don't feel like i've got absolute control over the right hand part. does anyone have any suggestions on how to get this part absolutely smooth and even, because it doesn't seem to fit the hand particularly well (even in some of the videos i've seen on youtube, professionals also seem to labour a little with these bits). the middle section i'm still bringing up slowly, but i don't see any immediate problems, and the contrary motion bit i have about 3/4 speed and once again i don't see any enormous difficulties here. the only other problem is the coda. i can play it all up to speed, and playing without pedal reveals that it's actually pretty even and accurate, but i don't feel that i've got the desired effect. it all sounds a little heavy and imprecise. does anyone have any suggestions on how to clearly bring out all of the various voices here (the voicing jumps between the LH and RH). this past week i've all but abandoned slow practise on the sections i can play ok, and it doesn't seem to be hurting my playing, but i'm sure it's not a good idea. has anyone else succumbed to the urge to play this piece at speed rather than keeping it slow?
this may well be the worst thread ever in pianostreet history, but if anyone who is studying, or who has studied this piece could find it in their hearts to respond i would be eternally grateful.
as a final aside, even though i can't yet play it all, i've been struck by just how playable it is in general. it's at the top of my all-time wishlist of dream pieces, and i expected it to be more difficult than it appears to be. am i being a little hasty? should i wait until i have it all at performance level before determining its true difficulty?
anyway, thanks to anyone generous/bored/masochistic enough to get to the end of this thread. i'll try and post a recording of it as soon as i can (hopefully within the next month).
edd |
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Hello folks.
Here's the result of about 4 months practise.
Yes I know my piano sounds rubbish.
Yes i want a better one.
No i don't have any money.
Any comments on technique/basic dynmaics/speed/anything much apprectated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZ8rG8DFYAg
Thanks for watching
Andrew
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Hey,
Which is harder? Winterwind or Butterfly? It would be interesting to look at the results.
In addition to that, can anyone provide me with the approcimate grade for each of the 2 pieces?
Thanks
Victor |
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Hi all,
I posted video files yesterday, and today I decided I would post audio just in case if people had slow internet connections. As mentioned in the other thread, any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Here are two Etudes:
Chopin Etude in A minor, Op. 25, No. 11
Liszt Transcendental Etude No. 4 in D minor, "Mazeppa" |
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Nice forum this is!
I wanted to ask your advice on this. How difficult is it to learn Chopin's "Winter Wind" etude after just finishing the fantaisie impromptu?
I learnt to play the fantaisie impromptu a few years ago. After not having played it for a couple years (and after not having played the piano much at all in that time), it turns out my skills were a bit rusty, and the piece was difficult enough to force me to spend a week practicing it until I could play it again without errors and with reasonably even notes in the right hand.
Now, I've kinda fallen in love with the winter wind etude after hearing a performance of it on TV, and i was wondering if i could try to play it next. Only problem though is that it sounds very very difficult. What do you guys think? Does it just sound more difficult than it actually is and would it be possible to learn for someone who can play the fant.impromptu? Or will there be a good chance that it's gonna be too hard for me? |
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Hey
Im wondering, im in the middle of learning la campanella, i was starting to learn 10/1 but decided to drop it and learn 25/11, is this song really hard or does it just look hard but is easy ? and what is the best way to learn it, hands separate of course, but should you use a metronome to gradually speed up etc?
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