brahms

[rubix]

I am playing Intermezzo Op. 188, No. 2, by Brahms, and was wondering if rubato is expected or acceptable in this piece. It seems to me to flow much better rubato is used.

[allchopin]

First of all, you may get more responses if your thread title is not so vague 

In the A major Op. 118 intermezzo, rubato is definitely expected and necessary.  Brahms' more flowing, romantic works generally tend to rely on some amount of rubato.  Don't go overboard in the f#- section (sometimes has written 'in tempo') or you will sound like you're trying too hard.  It's probably my favorite piano work of Brahms - good luck and treat it like the best!

[thalberg]

Listen to  Helene Grimaud's recording of this piece.  Lots of rubato, and it really works.  Very warm and reflective.

[stevie]

nikolai lugansky plays this awesomely on DVD along with the rest of op118.

[rubix]

Thanks for the suggestions. I really enjoy listening to other's recording of pieces I'm playing, because it gives me some ideas and perspective into the piece.

[jeremyjchilds]

118 #2 is a sparkling jewel of piano writing...

It is in my taste to not go overboard, especially not in the second section, I have heard some people go so fast...this is not a piece to show off.

Take it easy, allow the profound nature of this "Stuke" to be coaxed rather then forced out. In order to really appreciate all that brahms has done, focus on the fact that this piece has a quasi-symphonic texture, and all parts have value (at times there are 8 voices present) You can't rip through without losing the song's value.

As for Rubato, use it as seasoning, not as a main feature of the song.

[abell88]

As for Rubato, use it as seasoning, not as a main feature of the song.

Nicely put, Jeremy!