Who is the most talented young pianist?

[fingersflying]

Who do you think the most talented young pianist is?
pianist who's around 20 years old and hasn't made big name yet, such as:

Alexander Gavrylyuk
Wen-Yu Shen
Wunder
Yujia Wang
Joyce Yang
dong- hyun lim
Pan Rafał Blechacz
and more....

Post your name and some performance of them if it's possible. And Why.

[mephisto]

Ingolf Wunder

[franz_]

From that list, When Yu Shen I believe. Seeing his age, and what he allready achieved. A great talent.

[pies]

I am.

[franz_]

I am.

Obviously, and obviously the most arrogant to.

[fingersflying]

From that list, When Yu Shen I believe. Seeing his age, and what he allready achieved. A great talent.

Did u also see dong- hyun lim's performance in the final of queen elizabeth competition? How was it comparing with shen's Rach 3? Shen's Rach 3 sounds very amazzing to me but I haven't heard Lim's performace from that competition. I only know that he refused the 3rd prize cz of Shen. What's your opinion about it?

[franz_]

Did u also see dong- hyun lim's performance in the final of queen elizabeth competition? How was it comparing with shen's Rach 3? Shen's Rach 3 sounds very amazzing to me but I haven't heard Lim's performace from that competition. I only know that he refused the 3rd prize cz of Shen. What's your opinion about it?

Yes, he refused it. Quite stupid I think, he isn't even on the disc from the competition. I havn't seen him live. I have been twice in that competition and I saw Wen-Yu Shen, Von Eckardstein, Igoshina and a Japanese guy whose name I forgot. About Lim, I saw him in that competition on television. He is very talented (off course, he had 3d prize). I can't remember which concerto he played. But have you already seen his brother? He is a pianist to. And I believe his brother is less techniqually, but may be more musically.

[alessandro]

Dear,

I think in that competition, oh what the heck, I will sound idle and out of focus, that the best (Severin Von Eckardstein) did win.  The jury (and the public) chose for musicality, artistitry, originality.  The second prize (Shen and Asians in general) have the best technical, fingerpopping, "pure-perfect" kind of play but their performances often have a lack of mystery, suspense, 'delicatesse', personality, body and soul.  This is my opinion, this is as far as I know.  Chinese, Japanese are experts in sound though, I admire them as conductors or sound-engineers.  An Asian could be a good scholastic Bach player, or virtuoso, but they don't have this little 'I-don't-know-what'. I read a lot about Lang Lang on this forum and I think that this is a part of the underlying conflict.  I like virtuosity, speed etc. but there's more to music.  And indeed they often are better at a young age, but that's due to discipline, harshness, Confucius and their culture.
 
Kindly

[e60m5]

An Asian could be a good scholastic Bach player, or virtuoso, but they don't have this little 'I-don't-know-what'.

 

[franz_]

Russians are still the best

[quasimodo]

I do concur 

[quasimodo]

Lise De La Salle deserves to be included in the short list.

[brewtality]

Steven Turnbull

[mephisto]

Yes Steven is great.

[quasimodo]

Who is the best asian classical pianist you now of?

what is it to always try to single a person as "the best"? We all know it's a pointless subjective question which will possibly have as many answers as respondants...
There are plenty of outstanding classical pianists who originate from Asia. Personally I don't feel the need to categorize them as "Asian classical pianists". They are pianists, period.

[franz_]

what is it to always try to single a person as "the best"? We all know it's a pointless subjective question which will possibly have as many answers as respondants...
There are plenty of outstanding classical pianists who originate from Asia. Personally I don't feel the need to categorize them as "Asian classical pianists". They are pianists, period.

I agree completely.

[felia]

I think in that competition, oh what the heck, I will sound idle and out of focus, that the best (Severin Von Eckardstein) did win.  The jury (and the public) chose for musicality, artistitry, originality.  The second prize (Shen and Asians in general) have the best technical, fingerpopping, "pure-perfect" kind of play but their performances often have a lack of mystery, suspense, 'delicatesse', personality, body and soul.  This is my opinion, this is as far as I know.  Chinese, Japanese are experts in sound though, I admire them as conductors or sound-engineers.  An Asian could be a good scholastic Bach player, or virtuoso, but they don't have this little 'I-don't-know-what'. I read a lot about Lang Lang on this forum and I think that this is a part of the underlying conflict.  I like virtuosity, speed etc. but there's more to music.  And indeed they often are better at a young age, but that's due to discipline, harshness, Confucius and their culture.

Agreed

[brewtality]

oh yeah those asians suck and will never amount to anything, it is an inherent genetic defect of orientals. They should stick to calligraphy and gold fish tending.

[pianistimo]

that's terrible to say.  they have a lot of discipline and usually are better on technique.  musicality is often lacking in many musicians but knowing all the right notes can really make or break a piece.  sometimes one comes before the other - but look now at the conductor ozowa   (sp?) or yo-yo ma  or people of oriental heritage that have AMAZING musicality.  i don't think it's limited at all.  joyce yang is tops in my book.  and, the other girl (can't think of her name just now) - in the van cliburn competition.

anyhew, there are people of all nationalities that just play vs play with musicality.  it's not a national thing - i don't think.  i think it's that recently their culture allowed them to play western music.  can you imagine moving from eastern music to western?  just learning the different scales and sounds would be scary.

rueibin chen is an up and coming.  take a look here:
www.theepochtimes.com/news/6-6-22/43066.html

[quasimodo]

Dear,

I think in that competition, oh what the heck, I will sound idle and out of focus, that the best (Severin Von Eckardstein) did win.  The jury (and the public) chose for musicality, artistitry, originality.  The second prize (Shen and Asians in general) have the best technical, fingerpopping, "pure-perfect" kind of play but their performances often have a lack of mystery, suspense, 'delicatesse', personality, body and soul.  This is my opinion, this is as far as I know.  Chinese, Japanese are experts in sound though, I admire them as conductors or sound-engineers.  An Asian could be a good scholastic Bach player, or virtuoso, but they don't have this little 'I-don't-know-what'. I read a lot about Lang Lang on this forum and I think that this is a part of the underlying conflict.  I like virtuosity, speed etc. but there's more to music.  And indeed they often are better at a young age, but that's due to discipline, harshness, Confucius and their culture.
 
Kindly

Dear, do you really think that you would be able to distinguish an asian performer from a western one on a random blindfold test? I highly doubt that, because I don't believe there is such thing as what you call this little 'I-don't-know-what'.
And even assuming that it exists but I'm just too dumb to hear it, your position of prefering an hypothetical "non-asian manner" is but an opinion.
Please avoid that kind of prejudiced generalization. For the least it's a sign of close-mindedness. At worst, you will be suspected of racism.

[pianistimo]

i know a choral director at temple university that would be hard to beat in musicality and in connectedness with the chorale.  she is very slight and one would think hardly a 'director' when you first look at her - but AMAZING talent.  way above the norm.

i used to be suspicious of the suzuki method - but actually it promotes listening to oneself - which can't be a bad idea.  maybe some children take this to extreme (repetitions) but probably playing by ear first allows one to hear the tones BETTER.

[quasimodo]

Brewtality, I hope and assume your quote was meant to be humoristic. However, your quote could be interpreted as what you really think... Not everyone understand a certain form of sarcasm.

[tds]

oh yeah those asians suck and will never amount to anything, it is an inherent genetic defect of orientals. They should stick to calligraphy and gold fish tending.

....we waiting for an asian "cambry guy?" to jump in and fix this brewtal statement....

[e60m5]

oops.

[stevie]

Steven Turnbull

[mephisto]

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[mephisto]

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[da jake]

Musical ability is independent of race/religion/ethnicity.

Moving on?

[mephisto]

Musical ability is independent of race/religion/ethnicity.

Moving on?

Hopefully

[da jake]

...But we Jews are pretty amazing.

[mephisto]

...But we Jews are pretty amazing.

Looking at a list of the best pianist of all time, on is amazed at how many of them who were jews.

[alessandro]

Dear, do you really think that you would be able to distinguish an asian performer from a western one on a random blindfold test? I highly doubt that, because I don't believe there is such thing as what you call this little 'I-don't-know-what'.
And even assuming that it exists but I'm just too dumb to hear it, your position of prefering an hypothetical "non-asian manner" is but an opinion.
Please avoid that kind of prejudiced generalization. For the least it's a sign of close-mindedness. At worst, you will be suspected of racism.

Dear (for the sake of an argument),

"Racism", well yeah.  Your answer illustrates exactly what I tried to anticipate.  Some folks do things better than others.  There are natures, there are races, there are species just as there are colours, tastes, etc.  Italians talk with their hands, don't they ? In China there are still a lot of killings and executions.  Suicide-bombers are generally Muslims.  German drink lots of beer.  Saoudis are wealthy cause of the oil they're sitting on.  These are as much lies as these are truths.  One of the things that I try to communicate is an opinion, my opinion, no more no less.  But you're denigrating opinions. You say 'but' an opinion.  That's close to intolerance.  That's exactly, and I will use your expression, 'close-mindedness'.
Who talked to you about prefering a 'non-asian' manner ? It's just that I see a common factor in Asian competitors.  Their interprations are moreover often young and too 'flat', uncomplicated. 
No, I'm not sure I can distinguish asian versus non-asion blindfolded.  I expressed what I heared in competions.  The same happens with violonists.  Music, arts in general, is a matter of individuals.  So it is pointless to talk about nations or races.  But this pointlessness is exactly what's interesting or funny about it.  If music in itself had any sense it would be dull.
To end, it saddens me a little that you don't think there's this little 'I-don't-know-what' for me.  You deny my undeterminate feelings.  Life is in my eyes a mystery.

Kindly

[alessandro]

Musical ability is independent of race/religion/ethnicity.

Moving on?

Americans like going to (rakketaketak) war, Muslims are the (bwooooomb) suicide bombers and blacks are (yeah) funky.