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Chopin op.25/6
« on: September 06, 2006, 09:10:09 PM »

My first live experience after working on it on and off for about 23 years.

* Chopin op.25, no.6.mp3 (2038.77 KB - downloaded 397 times.)
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Re: Chopin op.25/6
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2006, 09:24:20 PM »

 Cool

I've never heard it played that fast before. It's incredible, the control you have.

It IS, however, a little blurry, but that could just be because it's in a concert hall, live.

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Re: Chopin op.25/6
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2006, 06:27:25 AM »

 That was really out-standing, the tempo the musicality the tecknics the use of rubato and pedal was spot on, almost as good as Ashkenazy who happens to play it very well.  Cool
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Re: Chopin op.25/6
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2006, 03:58:44 PM »

Marik - unbelievable ! Let me ask you something: are you a famous pianist who just doesn´t want to show his real identity in this forum (e.g. Scherbakov or something like that) ? Really a super performance. 23 years - that makes me some new hope for my Chopin Opus 10.1 project. Smiley
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Re: Chopin op.25/6
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2006, 06:05:29 PM »

Marik - unbelievable ! Let me ask you something: are you a famous pianist who just doesn´t want to show his real identity in this forum (e.g. Scherbakov or something like that) ? Really a super performance. 23 years - that makes me some new hope for my Chopin Opus 10.1 project. Smiley

I don't think he's Scherbakov. He sounds differently. But Scherbakov and he had the same teacher, Lev Naumov, as I found out by reading some of his posts.
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Re: Chopin op.25/6
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2006, 06:26:01 PM »

Yeah, Scherbakov sounds dryer, more puristic. The same teacher - interesting.
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Re: Chopin op.25/6
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2006, 01:12:51 PM »

Astounding performance indeed. Your tecnique if fantastic. I´ve heard many professional performances of this piece much slower. You play it very fast! I have no idea how to achieve that, because I don´t play Chopin etudes yet. But certainly, as a listener, it´s quite interesting music! 

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Re: Chopin op.25/6
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2006, 01:29:21 PM »

WOW!!!   Shocked

That is simply fabulous, Marik.  I wish I could play like that--I am working on Beethoven PC 4 and even the few (and slower!) double thirds in that have me sweating. 

Loved it!
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Re: Chopin op.25/6
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2006, 06:35:19 PM »

Very impressive.  My only criticism would be that there are a bit too many rubatos and liberties taken wth the tempo.  I would prefer it to be one tempo throughout, particularly when you slow down at the beginning of the upward chromatic thirds.  (M. 5, 9, etc.) 

By the way, I love the fact that you recorded it live.  That takes chutzpah. 
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Re: Chopin op.25/6
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2006, 02:02:27 AM »

I don't think that its that there are too many rubatos, but rather that the style of rubato used tends to stop the flow of the music sometimes. 

Try to incorporate rubatos within a consistent pulse.  Allow for phrase starts and ends, but don't apply so much that the pace of the piece is constantly altered.
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Re: Chopin op.25/6
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2006, 02:32:06 AM »

toward the end you play it more as i hear it in my head.  the bass growing as a sort of 'growl' underneath the treble which in my head starts softer and isn't even noticable until the crescendo upwards.  but, what do i know.  i've not played that many chopin etudes. 

somehow, i like the stability of more bass at the beginning.  it gives a sort of foundation for the rh.  of course, someone might say that it is not an accompaniment - per se - and that it sounds better as debussy or ravel would play it.  in that case, i rest my case.

as i personally understand chopin - he had a very dexterous lh and it could pass for the rh easily.  but, even so - i hear a storm brewing.  without the storm - the twister cannot spin off.
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Re: Chopin op.25/6
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2006, 01:41:30 PM »

Shocked That was really quite something! I do agree with the others about the rubato though, as it does tend to halt the flow of music more than it helps. One more picky point I have is that in the section right before the final one (with LH melodies in C# minor/G# minor, and E major/B major), the LH could be emphasized better. I've always heard this as one of the most beautiful melodies in Chopin's music - very few people bring this out and that always bothers me. But these are just small points; overall, it's a wonderful job!

I'm working on it myself... I was wondering if you have any advice on practicing the second iteration of the RH descent in Bb major (right before that big two-hand diminished chord descent). While the rest of the piece is improving steadily, that one section is simply staying at a very slow, choppy tempo.
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Re: Chopin op.25/6
« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2006, 08:59:13 PM »

by far the most original interpretaion I have ever heard! very refreshing to hear this incredible performance.

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Re: Chopin op.25/6
« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2006, 06:07:10 PM »

bravo!!
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Re: Chopin op.25/6
« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2006, 09:19:30 PM »

You can hear the melody in the left hand!
The thirds are played legatissimo!
The leggierissimo in the score was strictly adhered to!
All nuances are played in accordance with the piano score!
This performance is very close to Chopin thought!
BRAVO BRAVO BRAVO a thousand times !!!
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Re: Chopin op.25/6
« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2006, 09:56:55 PM »

As for all the praise: Indeed.

It's a very nice peformance.

However..

Why so fast? If you'd play it a bit slower..

But that's just my personal taste.

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Re: Chopin op.25/6
« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2006, 10:11:08 PM »

Bravo.  Smiley
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Re: Chopin op.25/6
« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2006, 10:39:33 PM »

wow, awesomeness. Bravo!
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Re: Chopin op.25/6
« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2006, 11:55:11 PM »

I'd like to add something here. I listened to Ashkenazy and Pollini to compare.
What I like from Marik's performance is the musical quality from start to finish. There is also a melancholy characteristic of Chopin music that is palpable when listening to this interpretation.
One more time BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Chopin op.25/6
« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2006, 02:39:45 PM »

sensational! bravo! very inovating and techinally brilliant
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Re: Chopin op.25/6
« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2006, 09:46:03 PM »

very admirable it is my goal to play those etudes who long do you play piano already?
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Re: Chopin op.25/6
« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2006, 10:43:10 PM »

My first live experience after working on it on and off for about 23 years.

Very well played, but...

I just this Etude (!).

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