Scriabin is G-O-D !

[hodi]

HE WROTE THE BEST PIANO SONATAS! (After beethoven)
the most gothic and atmopheric preludes
he had dark romantic style and a total new tonality and structure
he is underrated here
comeon!
the ultimate scriabin thread
talk talk talk just scriabin

[prometheus]

That's what he thought, the Man-God that exists through art, and art meaning what we mean sex and art.

[dnephi]

I strongly disagree, but respectfully.

Sorry.

HIs Etudes 8#12 and 42#5 are among my absolute favorites, however.

[lours]

I don't know Scriabin well, but I'm interested in this composer, because of the dark dimension.
Can you suggest me some him best piano pieces ?

best regards,
Lours

[phil13]

I agree. And so did Scriabin, apparently. 

I constanly have at least one of his works in the repertoire I learn. His music is unbelievable.

Phil

[etudes]

HE WROTE THE BEST PIANO SONATAS! (After beethoven)
the most gothic and atmopheric preludes
he had dark romantic style and a total new tonality and structure
he is underrated here
comeon!
the ultimate scriabin thread
talk talk talk just scriabin

the best sonata after Beethoven would be Liszt Sonata and Alkan Grandes Sonata ...period 

[prometheus]

Alkan who?

[dnephi]

Alkan who?

Charles-Valentin Alkan, real name Morhange.  Named by Busoni as among the greatest post Beethoven composers.

Now, I don't like his sonata much.

His symphony is in sonata form, and it's quite good.

Chopin B-flat minor sonata or Liszt Sonata or something like that would be the greatest.

I can appreciate some of his music a lot, but some sounds ......  .

Sorry.

[jre58591]

blah, i hope these threads dont start to pop up all over pianostreet like those "hardest, best, easiest" threads that you know bother the hell outta me. anyways, i really like scriabin. his sonatas and etudes continue to fascinate me. however....

the best sonata after Beethoven would be...Alkan Grandes Sonata ...period

i agree.

[invictious]

I am your new god, little boys, now worship me.

Scriabin was a genius, he was.

He works show the underlying ingeniousity underlying, especially into the piano sonatas, and his preludes, the true essence of Scriabin.

[arensky]

HE WROTE THE BEST PIANO SONATAS! (After beethoven)
the most gothic and atmopheric preludes
he had dark romantic style and a total new tonality and structure
he is underrated here
comeon!
the ultimate scriabin thread
talk talk talk just scriabin

Well, how we change! About a year ago hodi made the statement that "Scriabin is a composer for smart people, Rachmaninov is a composer for all people! Yes, you know in your heart that you love Rachmaninonv more!"

Or something to that effect. Hodi, what did you hear or play or who played it, that made you change your mind? Mah inqurin' mind wants to know... 

I am immersed in Russian music right now. I'm giving a concert soon with a cellist, in between the cello sonatas by Rubinstein and Shostakovich that respectively begin and end the program I'll be playing pieces by Rachmaninov (Preludes in c#m, A major and am and another one TBA) and/or Medtner (Skazka in Bbm, Idylle in bm op.7#1 and one or two other pieces TBA) and most importantly Scriabin Sonata #5 Op.53. Along with the 5th Sonata I will be playing short pieces by Scriabin. He was so good at writing "miniatures" that I always have trouble picking, and they are so different form-wise from Rachmaninov and Medtner, with Scriabin I think it's nesscary to do more than the four each I'm doing from Rach and Medtner. Right now I'm thinking I'll do..

Left Hand Prelude op.9 #1
From Op.11 Preludes
G major
D major
f# minor
E major
B major
g# minor
Bb minor
Eb major

Sonata #5

How's that for a Scriabin group? Comments are desired.

One issue I've been struggling with is that this program seems cluttered with both Rachmaninov and Medtner on it. Right now they go between Ruby and Scriabin and/or at the opening of the 2nd half, Scriabin ends the 1st half. Should I ditch one of them, and if so which one? Getting rid of one of them means I can play more Scriabin  .

So who should go IYO ? Medtner or Rachmaninov? Mah inqurin' mind again wants to know what chu are thinkin'... 

[presto agitato]

His first pieces sound too Chopinian but i really believe that he is the best russian piano composer ever. Much better than Rachmaninov IMO.

One thing is sure: He´s music is really hard to play ¡¡

[dnephi]

His first pieces sound too Chopinian but i really believe that he is the best russian piano composer ever. Much better than Rachmaninov IMO.

One thing is sure: He´s music is really hard to play ¡¡

Of his later works, for instance, Op. 42 #3 and Vers La Flamme, I have the opinion that they don't really sound too good and that the earlier "Chopinian" is better. Of course, I highly value 42 5 but I have already said that 8 times :p.  Are there any other works by him that someone like myself would enjoy, as opposed to the modernists?

[phil13]

Of his later works, for instance, Op. 42 #3 and Vers La Flamme, I have the opinion that they don't really sound too good and that the earlier "Chopinian" is better. Of course, I highly value 42 5 but I have already said that 8 times :p.  Are there any other works by him that someone like myself would enjoy, as opposed to the modernists?

I don't care much for Op.42 No.3 either, it bothers me.

Try the rest of the Op.42 etudes, especially Nos. 4, 6, and 8 if you like No.5. Also, take a look at the 10th Sonata, although that may be beyond your tastes. That and vers la flamme are two of my favorite late Scriabin works.

Phil

[hodi]

Well, how we change! About a year ago hodi made the statement that "Scriabin is a composer for smart people, Rachmaninov is a composer for all people! Yes, you know in your heart that you love Rachmaninonv more!"

Or something to that effect. Hodi, what did you hear or play or who played it, that made you change your mind? Mah inqurin' mind wants to know... 

i totally changed my mind
scriabin is great musical genius
i ADORE his music


what do u think of his orchestral music?
i like symphony no.2,poem of extacy and poem of fire the most!

[tompilk]

get hamelin's 5tgh sonata by scriabin - and it'll be with you forever!
tom

[prometheus]

Richter's 5th is much better.

[dough_mouse]

Scriabin Sonatas >>>>> Beethoven Sonatas

[pies]

Scriabin was a dog

[thierry13]

Richter's 5th is much better.

Disagree. Hamelin's 5th pwn Richter's one. I must admit Richter's one is amazing too, tough. But Hamelin is simply THE best for this sonata.

[arensky]

Richter's 5th is much better.

Yes.

But between Richter's and Horowitz' it's a tossup.

Roberto Szidon also plays the hell out of this piece.

[arensky]

i totally changed my mind
scriabin is great musical genius
i ADORE his music


what do u think of his orchestral music?
i like symphony no.2,poem of extacy and poem of fire the most!

I think his orchestral music tends to be over orchestrated and diffuse but I love it! My favorite is the Poem of Fire, closely followed by the Poem of Ecstasy.

[thracozaag]

Yes.

But between Richter's and Horowitz' it's a tossup.

Roberto Szidon also plays the hell out of this piece.

  The 2 different Horowitz 5th's I've heard are fantastic, of course.  Sofronitsky's (the 1955 live), Richter's (1962 live), and Feinberg's are also personal favorites.  Hamelin's (both the studio and the one time I heard him live) bored me, phenomenal pianism notwithstanding.

koji

[mephisto]

Ashkenazy live and Hamelin.

Pretty much everyone I have heard plays it well: Richter, Horowitz, Szidon and Austbø.

Prometheus is possibly my favourite piece of music of all time. When the chorus enters I am almost ina  different world.

[arensky]

  The 2 different Horowitz 5th's I've heard are fantastic, of course.  Sofronitsky's (the 1955 live), Richter's (1962 live), and Feinberg's are also personal favorites.  Hamelin's (both the studio and the one time I heard him live) bored me, phenomenal pianism notwithstanding.

koji

And yours is none too shabby either.... 

For those who have not heard...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdQVEGta1pk&mode=related&search=

Also curious about what people think of this performance; it has some weak moments but I think she conveys something unique and special about this piece, I like it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M91lMShw8s&mode=related&search=

[arensky]

Ashkenazy live and Hamelin.

Pretty much everyone I have heard plays it well: Richter, Horowitz, Szidon and Austbø.

Prometheus is possibly my favourite piece of music of all time. When the chorus enters I am almost ina  different world.

It's what he intended;  mankind set free, having been given the power of fire, before known only to the gods.

[invictious]

phenomenal pianism

koji

note use of alliteration, it creates a sense of rhythm, and the alliteration of 'p' makes the reader slow down, which emphasizes the rhythm, creating a march-like rhythm in this context, with emphasis on the downbeat with the 'ph' sound.

Wow..

[dnephi]

note use of alliteration, it creates a sense of rhythm, and the alliteration of 'p' makes the reader slow down, which emphasizes the rhythm, creating a march-like rhythm in this context, with emphasis on the downbeat with the 'ph' sound.

Wow..

It's not alliteration.  Thanks anyway for the laugh,

Daniel

[leo_g]

So why haven't anyone mentioned his Sonata no 2 in G-sharp minor yet?

At least the first movement is, considering it geing a Scriabin work, fairly easy to play

This Richter interpratation is great: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ2LIOYXmRY
Second movement too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqpe-oj60Io

After hearing this anyone should be wanting to play this 


Oh and first post by the way...

[thierry13]

Also curious about what people think of this performance; it has some weak moments but I think she conveys something unique and special about this piece, I like it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M91lMShw8s&mode=related&search=

I think it's on the weak side in general, with some few good things here and there.

[quantum]

I think it's on the weak side in general, with some few good things here and there.

I think too many people have been harzh on YouTube comments.  It is a different interpretation.