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« on: April 16, 2007, 11:46:47 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2007, 01:46:08 PM »

Underrated.... Grieg
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« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2007, 02:17:28 PM »

Underrated.... Grieg

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« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2007, 03:41:34 PM »

Mozart.
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« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2007, 03:46:40 PM »

Mozart.

I'd agree.

Though this is a subjective opinion, and I do love Mozart in the right quantities, but he is played too often, especially in the last couple of years.
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« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2007, 03:59:20 PM »

Mozart... well, at least in these "Mozart for the mind" stuff.
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« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2007, 04:04:06 PM »

mozart is very overrated
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« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2007, 07:06:19 PM »

Mendelssohn, Brahms, Mahler, Schumann, Haydn
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« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2007, 07:08:49 PM »

I find myself in complete agreement with soliloquy.

In addition, Schumann should be wiped off the face of the earth and completely erased from history.

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« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2007, 07:25:59 PM »

Rachmaninoff, Tchaikovsky, Liszt, Berlioz.

As for Mozart, he is definitely overplayed (particularly the early stuff, which should be erased from the face of the earth), but whether he is over-rated or not i cannot say. I think he is actually one of the most miss-understood among the major composers. Some of the stuff i hear about him, even among fans it's just outlandish...
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« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2007, 08:04:21 PM »

schumann
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« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2007, 08:11:03 PM »

Beethoven
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« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2007, 08:35:51 PM »

I find myself in complete agreement with soliloquy.

In addition, Schumann should be wiped off the face of the earth and completely erased from history.

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« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2007, 08:36:52 PM »

Beethoven

I believe he is the greatest composer of all time, but he could only be considered overrated if people saw the margin between him and others as large, because I don't, but it's large enough for me to have no doubt.
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« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2007, 08:51:44 PM »

I believe he is the greatest composer of all time, but he could only be considered overrated if people saw the margin between him and others as large, because I don't, but it's large enough for me to have no doubt.

Well said, even my friends who all play in rock bands are completly in to the symphonies like th 5th, 6th and 9th.
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« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2007, 09:10:59 PM »

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Mozart.

I'd agree.

What?? Mozart may be "overplayed", but is indeed underrated, if anything.

(just to meet the original question, which was sadly changed later on by the author into that boring "over"/"over"-thing...)
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« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2007, 10:19:07 PM »

Most overrated and overplayed... must be myself actually!
I have composed very little, and i'm the only one who've played it. That's definately overplayed! And one person once said it was ok... definately overrated.  Smiley
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« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2007, 10:27:37 PM »

oh, well, schumann of course. him and schubert.
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« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2007, 10:29:56 PM »

If you think Brahms is a bad composer I think you should see a shrink Roll Eyes

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« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2007, 10:46:38 PM »

Philip Glass.
 Keeps combining the same damn measures in every piece he writes and it's monotonous.
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« Reply #20 on: April 17, 2007, 12:24:21 AM »

its called minimalism.
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« Reply #21 on: April 17, 2007, 01:28:16 AM »

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I second this motion.
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« Reply #22 on: April 17, 2007, 02:55:18 AM »

I have to 2nd Phillip Glass  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #23 on: April 17, 2007, 06:52:20 AM »

I have to 2nd Phillip Glass  Roll Eyes
Why? Isn't just one at least three too many?

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« Reply #24 on: April 17, 2007, 12:54:08 PM »

for me its alistair hinton  Cool
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« Reply #25 on: April 17, 2007, 01:29:38 PM »

for the piano:

Chopin.

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« Reply #26 on: April 17, 2007, 01:30:56 PM »

chopin was a genius and people like him so much because of it.

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« Reply #27 on: April 17, 2007, 01:36:59 PM »

its called minimalism.


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« Reply #28 on: April 17, 2007, 02:28:00 PM »

for the piano:

Chopin.

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« Reply #29 on: April 17, 2007, 02:43:00 PM »

This is an example of stupidity in the making.

There is no single composer that is both overplayed AND overrated, because for every piece that is overplayed and overrated, you will find another piece by that same composer that is both underplayed and underrated. In addition, almost every composer that is overplayed (meaning they have a lot of pieces that are overplayed- the composer him/herself can't be overplayed.  Wink ) are actually underrated, because people get completely sick of the pieces and stop recognizing them for the genius works they are. Beethoven's Fur Elise, when played by a truly masterful pianist, is still exquisite to my ears, no matter how many times over it is butchered. So is the 'Pathetique' Sonata. Mozart's Serenade in G major is another example (although I much prefer it when all 4 movements are played, rather than just the first.) Do we forget that these works are played ad nauseum because people LIKE them?

Furthermore, nobody is going to be in agreement on this sort of thing. It's not exactly a thing we can measure- how overplayed or overrated a piece or composer is. Someone who dislikes Chopin's works will post his name, thinking only of the Minute Waltz, the Etudes Op.10 No.3 and Op.10 No.12, etc., and someone who loves ANY of his works- overplayed or underplayed or neither- will refute the former. Same goes for every composer already mentioned here- Schumann, Schubert, Brahms, Mozart, even Phillip Glass, and the same goes for every composer which will, no doubt, be brought up later... (I realize I may be exaggerating reasoning for posting the certain composers, but hopefully you understand the general concept I'm trying to convey.  Smiley )

These types of threads never end well.

Phil

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« Reply #30 on: April 17, 2007, 02:57:23 PM »

This is an example of stupidity in the making.

There is no single composer that is both overplayed AND overrated, because for every piece that is overplayed and overrated, you will find another piece by that same composer that is both underplayed and underrated. In addition, almost every composer that is overplayed (meaning they have a lot of pieces that are overplayed- the composer him/herself can't be overplayed.  Wink ) are actually underrated, because people get completely sick of the pieces and stop recognizing them for the genius works they are. Beethoven's Fur Elise, when played by a truly masterful pianist, is still exquisite to my ears, no matter how many times over it is butchered. So is the 'Pathetique' Sonata. Mozart's Serenade in G major is another example (although I much prefer it when all 4 movements are played, rather than just the first.) Do we forget that these works are played ad nauseum because people LIKE them?

Furthermore, nobody is going to be in agreement on this sort of thing. It's not exactly a thing we can measure- how overplayed or overrated a piece or composer is. Someone who dislikes Chopin's works will post his name, thinking only of the Minute Waltz, the Etudes Op.10 No.3 and Op.10 No.12, etc., and someone who loves ANY of his works- overplayed or underplayed or neither- will refute the former. Same goes for every composer already mentioned here- Schumann, Schubert, Brahms, Mozart, even Phillip Glass, and the same goes for every composer which will, no doubt, be brought up later... (I realize I may be exaggerating reasoning for posting the certain composers, but hopefully you understand the general concept I'm trying to convey.  Smiley )

These types of threads never end well.

Phil




tards never get sick of Tchaik1 or nutcracker.
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« Reply #31 on: April 17, 2007, 03:01:45 PM »


tards never get sick of Tchaik1 or nutcracker.

Okay, so those 2 pieces are overplayed...along with the Violin Concerto...but how many of them appreciate Tchaik 2, or the Concert Fantasia, or many of the piano works?

I think you can see the point I'm getting at.

Phil
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« Reply #32 on: April 17, 2007, 03:52:24 PM »

Okay, so those 2 pieces are overplayed...along with the Violin Concerto...but how many of them appreciate Tchaik 2, or the Concert Fantasia, or many of the piano works?

I think you can see the point I'm getting at.

Phil


You have to judge as such:

Number of times Tchaik1 is played vs. number of times Tchaik2 should be played more.  I would venture a guess and say Tchaik1 is probably performed a few thousand times a year, and that Tchaik2 does not need to be performed that much, therefore Tchaikovsky is overplayed.
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« Reply #33 on: April 17, 2007, 04:48:57 PM »


You have to judge as such:

Number of times Tchaik1 is played vs. number of times Tchaik2 should be played more. I would venture a guess and say Tchaik1 is probably performed a few thousand times a year, and that Tchaik2 does not need to be performed that much, therefore Tchaikovsky is overplayed.

That seems a bit vague. After all, in order to truly see if Tchaikovsky is 'overplayed' per se, we would have to use that equation on a larger scale, making every important work he composed a factor. That is why it seems impossible to me to judge such a thing, with any composer.

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« Reply #34 on: April 17, 2007, 04:53:49 PM »

 Tchaikovsky symphonies are boring as hell, except for the last one maybe.

String Sextet is where it's at...  Grin
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« Reply #35 on: April 17, 2007, 05:00:38 PM »

....String Sextet is where it's at...  Grin

I heard that with enough cash or credit, you could buy one of those sextets in Vegas.
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« Reply #36 on: April 17, 2007, 05:47:52 PM »

some say saint-saens only composed arpeggiations.  i tend to think otherwise and like the simpleness of saint-saens (even if there are a lot of arpeggios).  his concerto or fantasy? for harp and flute is so beautiful.  sometimes simplicity is ridiculed.  maybe some of schumann's pieces were short.  but they were short AND sweet.  but, it is all the eye of the beholder.

i suppose that saint-saens is not 'over played.'  frankly, the only things i think are overplayed are songs on my daughter's radio station.  we hear the same three songs when i drive her home from school EVERY day.  the kids never get tired of them.  HOW can this be.  they drive me CRAZY.  anything can be overplayed.  just play it every day. 
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« Reply #37 on: April 17, 2007, 10:12:24 PM »