Questioning pianistimo's self-awareness

[opus10no2]

Is pianistimo aware of how people see her?

She persists, and doesn't adapt at all to gain acceptance, she just is, and remains so.

I've wondered this about myself too, and other people, how aware are we of how others percieve us?

[cmg]

Is pianistimo aware of how people see her?

She persists, and doesn't adapt at all to gain acceptance, she just is, and remains so.

I've wondered this about myself too, and other people, how aware are we of how others percieve us?

What would you have her do?  Dissemble?  Prevaricate?  Position herself as other than she is?

What difference does it matter how one is perceived here?  I've not noticed any behavioral changes among those who have been criticized.   

The anonymity of forums seems to excuse everyone from self-reflection.     

[johnny-boy]

I think we should all "be ourselves" regardless of how we're perceived.

John

[ronde_des_sylphes]

Is pianistimo aware of how people see her?

She persists, and doesn't adapt at all to gain acceptance, she just is, and remains so.

I've wondered this about myself too, and other people, how aware are we of how others percieve us?

What a very odd post.

I certainly don't agree with a lot of her views, but so what? I don't see why she should adapt to gain acceptance.

Are you willing to compromise/adapt your views on technique and finger dexterity to gain acceptance?   That is of course a rhetorical question.

[sharon_f]

The anonymity of forums seems to excuse everyone from self-reflection.     

So true.

[counterpoint]

Where does this strong wish to change people's  convictions come from? Everyone has the right to be and to think just the way he is (as long, as he is abiding the law).

Do we really want a world where all people are thinking and acting the same?
Everyone is different and that's the main fun in life.

[thalbergmad]

I really don't give a monkeys testicle how i am percieved. Either people accept me as i am, or they can swivel.

Pianistimo gets on my tits, but i would not want her to change through anything that i said, although some of my posts might have indicated otherwise.

Thal.

[maul]

She doesn't adapt to anything. Her brain has been pumped full of garbage her whole life and she hasn't had to conjure up an original thought since her conception. Adapt to gain acceptance? She can't even adapt to understand common sense.

[opus10no2]

I wasn't intending to imply that she should, just observing that she hasn't.

For instance, when asked to provide a concise response, she writes a biblical essay....and on other occasions she writes things which are almost inpenetrably incoherent and just plain random to anyone but herself , this is evidence either of -

A - having no idea what others here think

or

B - having an idea what we think, but still writing huge amounts of text which will barely ever be read through


Regarding myself, I like to think I'm aware that others find every single one of my posts fascinating, illuminating, and oozing with sex appeal.

This is called not being deluded.

[pies]

She is living proof of the failure of our education system.

[thalberg]

I wasn't intending to imply that she should, just observing that she hasn't.

For instance, when asked to provide a concise response, she writes a biblical essay....and on other occasions she writes things which are almost inpenetrably incoherent and just plain random to anyone but herself , this is evidence either of -

A - having no idea what others here think

or

B - having an idea what we think, but still writing huge amounts of text which will barely ever be read through


Regarding myself, I like to think I'm aware that others find every single one of my posts fascinating, illuminating, and oozing with sex appeal.

This is called not being deluded.

I hear what Opus is saying.  I think most of us have a somewhat automatic reflex to read people's responses to us and adapt so we will be accepted.  The absence of this in Pianistimo shocks him. 

[pianistimo]

i admit.  i don't take a world view on things.  rather an individualistic and sometimes community view - but really don't travel much or go beyond about a 30 miles radius.  what do you expect?  miracles?  in any case - i take my two studies very seriously.  music and the bible.  that's about it.  and, gardening.  i suppose gardening is next on the list to be 'hush hushed' - like it's some sort of oddity for a musican to also be a gardener and read the bible.  so what if i don't relate to 99% of the forum.  it's the best i can do.  here is a quote from margot fontayn:

'the one important thing i have learned over the years is the difference between taking one's work seriously and taking oneself seriously.  the first is imperative and the second disasterous.'

ok. opus - now it's time for you to explain some of those little interludes with mayla.  that's normal?  reacting sexually to every music topic.  it's time you got a handle on this.  you know that song 'delila' on the radio   lalalala  what you do to me....ohhhh hey there delilia - you're in nyc - but i've got my pic on your ipod if you want to watch me.... ohhhh hey there - if you send me money i can be at you side in 10 seconds...woooooohhh.  what youdo to me....let me play my piano (guitar -it's supposed to be) what you do to me...i can play it barefoot - you can watch my toes a trebling at your smile -wooohhhh - what you do to me.... what you do to mee....lalallalalal.   i had a boyfriend like you at 16.  you're kind of old for this - but it gives people a smile and a laugh.  so fair is fair. 

[counterpoint]

The absence of this in Pianistimo shocks him. 

 

[opus10no2]

reacting sexually to every music topic.  it's time you got a handle on this. 

You point out how the bible is related to everything, I point out the sex in everything.

I like pianistimo, this topic is just an observation, a questioning.

I like people being upfront about what they think of me, it's not an attack.


Pianistimo posts alot, and for someone to post alot, they have to be of a certain personality type, because most people don't post all that much.

Is it attention seeking, is it an arrogance and inflated sense of self importance? Is it too much free time?

I like short and concise posts, and I really don't think many things need elaboration.
Unneccesary elaboration is a way of covering bases, making sure people get your point, but one ends up losing them in the torrent of verbage.

[pianistimo]

what about that spiderman3 response thread awhile back.  i read through that and said 'wha...t?'

no matter.  i like you, too.  in fact, i think you are similarly lacking self-awareness in that you truly believe all things are related in some way to sex.  surprisingly, i sort of agree.  i mean, if people have marital problems - what's the root cause?  probably not getting enough sex.  you 'll have no problems if you get married.  you see, people like you understand the fundamentals of what women want.  a man with lots of time on his hands and spends it all on them (with no regrets).   the thing is - both of us need a job.  the problem is - we like to play the piano and it's not paying enough.  that makes us depressed sometimes and post a lot.  unless you have a career i don't know about.  but, finding people for your career is going to take some time.  playing all chopin etudes takes some listening skills on the part of the audience. 

[opus10no2]

I was exaggerating, of course, and if it seems at times a tad immature, it might be because I didn't have a chance to have a rebellious and non-conformist 'phase' in a normal way, so the manifestation of this may come through in my enjoyment of chaos, stirred up, and irritation with calm.

[prometheus]

She things god reads this forum. She talks with god through this forum.

[cmg]

She things god reads this forum. She talks with god through this forum.

Nonsense.  She enjoys the community aspect of this forum.  (The God-thing is simply one of her many passions.)  She loves piano.  Deeply.  She genuinely loves people as evidenced by her willingness to be forgiving of insults and helpful at every turn whenever she can.  She's kind and intelligent.  Better yet, she's like the Oxford cleric in the Canterbury Tales:  "And gladly would (s)he learn and gladly teach."

Opus is a hard nut to crack.  He enjoys being provocative and has explained why in his post above.  Ergo, he is capable of insight but refuses normally to share this ability with us.  I rarely agree with him and find some of his statements tasteless, but he's intelligent and, frankly, I'm glad he's around.

Maul?  There's no need to be unkind.  You could be wrong, you know.

[debussy symbolism]

She doesn't adapt to anything. Her brain has been pumped full of garbage her whole life and she hasn't had to conjure up an original thought since her conception. Adapt to gain acceptance? She can't even adapt to understand common sense.

Maul?  There's no need to be unkind.  You could be wrong, you know.

Greetings

If we are to criticize others we must first criticize ourselves. I have yet to see a worthy post from "Maul" that isn't insulting and stupid. Before you claim anyone as adamant, you should first of all consider your own input here.

[maul]

Maul is the way of the future. Maul has tinted windows and auxiliary input.

[debussy symbolism]

Maul is the way of the future. Maul has tinted windows and auxiliary input.

It is sad if Maul is the way of the future. You certainly do tint windows, or more precisely, you think you tint them, when in fact, you are just a hormone deluded person who has finally found an outlet for his libido. And please, show me at least one instance of any auxiliary input from yourself.

[johnny-boy]

“If we are to criticize others we should first criticize ourselves” – Debussy

Good advice. I have yet to find a perfect human being.

Best, John

[ada]

Opus and pianistimo have more in common than people might give them credit from

1. they both manage to annoy everyone else on PF
2. they are both full of crap
3. they both have way too much time on their hands
4. they are both perversely intriguing
5. they are both chronic attention seekers
6. they both are obssessed with the piano (like most of everyone else here, god luv em)

come to think of it, has anyone ever seen opus and the big P in the same room together 

[ahinton]

Opus and pianistimo have more in common than people might give them credit from

1. they both manage to annoy everyone else on PF
2. they are both full of crap
3. they both have way too much time on their hands
4. they are both perversely intriguing
5. they are both chronic attention seekers
6. they both are obssessed with the piano (like most of everyone else here, god luv em)

come to think of it, has anyone ever seen opus and the big P in the same room together 

At the risk of digressing briefly from the topic, welcome back, ada! How's it going?

Now, to your non-Fosters six-pack. I don't think that they annoy EVERYONE else here - or necessarily even anyone at all EVERY time either of them posts. There has certainly been no shortage of questionable material from P. (not so certain about O.). The amount of time either has on his/her hands may not be as certain as we might assume; perhaps they're just very fast typists. 4. is an understandable response, although I don't know so much about O. as I've read less from that source than from P. Whether or not 5. is actually the case, they're certainly both attention getters. 6. speaks for itself, of course (except that I didn't think that you belierved in God, with or without a capital "G").

I've never seen either of them anywhere.

Best,

Alistair

[pianistimo]

thank you, alistair, for your always fair sided view of things (sometimes).  i feel priviledged that you read my messages.  crazy as they may sound to you at times.

btw, for everyone's information - i have asked the local psych guru cmg for three exercises in self-awareness.  now, i realize if i asked this to thal, he would probably say - get a job, stop posting so much, don't think as you speak.  rehearse things in your mind.  this is a very hard thing for me.  i tend to just 'say it like it is.'  at least how i think it is.  and, sometimes - yes, i am wrong.  but, this is how to get feedback.  for instance, if marik never argued with me about who was playing the moonlight sonata on xm radio (which never mentions the performer) i would continue thinking it was richter until i died.  now, i feel more aware and thinking the probability is that it was rachmaninov.  nobody could have convinced me otherwise excepting the self-awareness awakening marik gave me when he popped that bubble.  i'm sort of glad that he did.

[thalbergmad]

nobody could have convinced me otherwise excepting the self-awareness awakening marik gave me when he popped that bubble.  i'm sort of glad that he did.

I am glad he did as well, but the effort and stress involved probably knocked 10 years off his life.

Thal

[pianistimo]

 

[opus10no2]

has anyone ever seen opus and the big P in the same room together 

Been watching me undress? 

[pianistimo]

forget about undressing - i just want to hear the opus 10 #2.  then, i will play the opus 10 #1.  we will call it a day and eat cake.  like that video of tengstrand.  i am anxious to see what he says about beethoven's fourth concerto.