Banging the Piano

[cloches_de_geneve]

Somehow, I always thought people were speaking more or less metaphorically when they talked about "banging" the piano -- until I saw this ...

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=tWvYtfOOjhM&mode=related&search=

[cmg]

What a spectacle!  That may be the most raucous, histrionic, affected performance of Liszt on record.  Awful.   

[ronde_des_sylphes]

What a spectacle!  That may be the most raucous, histrionic, affected performance of Liszt on record.  Awful.   

But extremely funny 

[soderlund]

Hahaha look at his feet, at the worst times. I laughed my way through this.

Seriously though, his actual playing wasn't beautiful either, I think. Worst showoff performance I've ever seen.

[nicco]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPqK1JJOFxw

Now there's a good banging.

From 02:25 and out it gets really hot.

[opus10no2]

What a spectacle!  That may be the most raucous, histrionic, affected performance of Liszt on record.  Awful.   

Awful?

This is what is known as a TRUWAY interpretation.

His technique doesn't match his fury, but if it did, I couldn't imagine a more sensetive interpretation.

[counterpoint]

His technique doesn't match his fury, but if it did, I couldn't imagine a more sensetive interpretation.

Okay, 95% of the notes are wrong, the rhythm is wrong, the pedal is wrong, the dynamic is wrong - but wow - the fury 

[jlh]

Somehow, I always thought people were speaking more or less metaphorically when they talked about "banging" the piano -- until I saw this ...

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=tWvYtfOOjhM&mode=related&search=

He looked like a kid throwing a temper tantrum.  Look at his bow at the end... he even stomps off stage!

Incredible... 

[lostinidlewonder]

Lol.... it is always amusing to see a piece play the performer instead

[thalberg]

What kind of piano is that?  It said something on the side beginning with an "R" I think.  What was it?  Anyone know? 

[invictious]

Wait still you see me playing Bartok.
Now THAT is bashing the piano WITH fashion and taste.

Mischa Kottler sure hell created an 'orage', what a storm....

And to the video that nicco posted:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHA AHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH





*breathes*





HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA AT 2:25!!!!


HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA





.....

*breathes again*



HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAH

[cmg]

Awful?

This is what is known as a TRUWAY interpretation.

His technique doesn't match his fury, but if it did, I couldn't imagine a more sensetive interpretation.

Okay.  For the very last time.  (Even my patience has its limits.) 

OPUS:  This is a perfect example of your adolescent artistic aethestic.  "Extremism" is not a virtue.  It's an example of excess.  But emotional adolescents like you perceive extremism as the pinnacle of artistic achievement.  The ancient Greek philosophers discovered the principle of the "golden mean" well before you were born.  As a metaphor, it points in the direction of an aesthetic whose gravitational weight hovers around that which is not exreme.  Why?  Well, because life and art, for true adults, is about the gray areas, not about black and white.  There are no absolutes in a universe that is characerized by ceaseless change.  Therefore, we must be pragmatic.  Nothing, ultimately, is "black or white."

Your adulation of this embarrassing display of adolescent exhibitionism is typical of your critical  responses to music.  This performance -- even if refined by an improved technical approach -- would be crude and childish, by any mature musician's standard.

Was it Wordsworth ( or Coleridege) who said that poetry is emotion recollected in tranquility?  No matter, the point is that unrestrained emotionalism is not high art, it's simply the absence of discipline that renders art memorable.  Without discipline, it's only narcissism. 

This crude "Orage" that you admire is a perfect example of performance narcissism.  And if you find this performance to be significant, then you have a real problem.  Fix it, please.  Your defense of trash is growing tedious.   

[jlh]

Awful?

This is what is known as a TRUWAY interpretation.

His technique doesn't match his fury, but if it did, I couldn't imagine a more sensetive interpretation.

Why must all of your posts ooze with sex appeal?

 

[cmg]

Why must all of your posts ooze with sex appeal?

 

Simple validation of his arrested development:  he's still a thirteen-year-old male emotionally.

[jlh]

Simple validation of his arrested development:  he's still a thirteen-year-old male emotionally.

Just to let you know... I was referring to this:

http://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php/topic,26268.msg299691.html#msg299691

[debussy symbolism]

Greetings

It was an interesting video I admit.

[mcgillcomposer]

I wonder what that guy is like in bed!!!

[jlh]

I wonder what that guy is like in bed!!!

I dunno, but goatse.cx might give you a clue -- at least the site that was under that domain a few years ago. 

It's for sale if you have $500000 to spare...

[cloches_de_geneve]

I wonder what that guy is like in bed!!!

Brutal and inaccurate is my best guess.

[mcgillcomposer]

Haha...I imagine some people could get off on the brutal aspect...not so sure about the inaccurate part though. You'd have to be pretty kinky to enjoy that!

[opus10no2]

Okay.  For the very last time.  (Even my patience has its limits.) 

OPUS:  This is a perfect example of your adolescent artistic aethestic.  "Extremism" is not a virtue.  It's an example of excess.  But emotional adolescents like you perceive extremism as the pinnacle of artistic achievement.  The ancient Greek philosophers discovered the principle of the "golden mean" well before you were born.  As a metaphor, it points in the direction of an aesthetic whose gravitational weight hovers around that which is not exreme.  Why?  Well, because life and art, for true adults, is about the gray areas, not about black and white.  There are no absolutes in a universe that is characerized by ceaseless change.  Therefore, we must be pragmatic.  Nothing, ultimately, is "black or white."

Your adulation of this embarrassing display of adolescent exhibitionism is typical of your critical  responses to music.  This performance -- even if refined by an improved technical approach -- would be crude and childish, by any mature musician's standard.

Was it Wordsworth ( or Coleridege) who said that poetry is emotion recollected in tranquility?  No matter, the point is that unrestrained emotionalism is not high art, it's simply the absence of discipline that renders art memorable.  Without discipline, it's only narcissism. 

This crude "Orage" that you admire is a perfect example of performance narcissism.  And if you find this performance to be significant, then you have a real problem.  Fix it, please.  Your defense of trash is growing tedious.   

*cough*pussy*cough*

[debussy symbolism]

In defense of "Opus," despite the fact that he replied to a seemingly decisive inquiry about his tastes with a non-existent invective, for reasons perhaps known to him, "Opus" does have the right to exercise whatever judgement he feels necessary towards a recording and isn't obligated to being oppressed by others who hold another view of things. I am not talking about connate predilections here towards any arts, I am talking about the sense of understanding and appreciation of other's likes. If "Opus" feels a certain way about something and is confident enough about displaying his reason for pursuing those things, it isn't really fair that others should put him down due to the fact that they see his beliefs as inferior. Withou excess, there is no moderation; yet there is no excess without moderation and both are expression of arts, as being proven in the video above, and statements by "Opus."

[opus10no2]

"Extremism" is not a virtue.  It's an example of excess. 

Actually, I see some of what you're saying, but the thing about this is that we are discussing a performance, the notes themselves are filled with variety.

I agree it isn't a perfect performance, but I adore extremism....this is not to say I do not value the artistic spectrum of temperaments, I just like to see the ROOF RAISED.

I like to see the upper limit pushed, and that is what this performance does!

For all his faults, occasionally doing a spiderman and *sticking* to the very roof he pushed up, the fact he creates this sonority at all makes this performance deserving of merit.

[invictious]

I wonder what that guy is like in bed!!!

Talk about foreplay..

[moi_not_toi]

YUK!
Both those videos are absolutely appalling!
I mean, I'm what: 15? (I stopped keeping track at 10, I was really happy I had 2 digits )
And still, those disgusting displays of pseudo-LangLangism are enough to make me want to vomit.
It IS that bad.
First Video: what??? Who abuses a piano like that? You make love to a piano, and it's not a masochist. So no BDSM FOR HIM!

Second video: Is it just me or does this guy look like he's about to throw up all over the strings?

It's horrifying! Why are modern pianists thinking that the more vile you are onstage, the more connection you get with the proletariat groundlings? You don't! You just offend them by making them wish those tickets weren't so expensive!

[opus10no2]

But the thing is, pussies like you are making the classical world die 

[invictious]

That's what I prefer recordings over videos, unless I am watching technique. Why can't pianists just get on with the music without having 'faces during orgasm'?
They are horribly distracting!

[opus10no2]

Close your eyes, many find the gestures of the pianist to be either -

Intrinsically connected with their musical expression, forming a 'ballet'-like dance for the music.

Or just plain comedic genius.

[pita bread]

Close your eyes, many find the gestures of the pianist to be either -

Intrinsically connected with their musical expression, forming a 'ballet'-like dance for the music.

Or just plain comedic genius.

ahahahaha, concurred for once.

[moi_not_toi]

But the thing is, pussies like you are making the classical world die 

Yes, let's show how culturally advanced we are, why don't we?

No, it's people like me that save the world from pseudo-Guitar-smashing piano recitals.

[opus10no2]

It's just sad that most people think pianists are pussies.

Sad perhaps because I am an exception to the norm?

[gerry]

It's no wonder Liszt needed a Bosey - everything else fell to bits in his hands.

[jlh]

It's no wonder Liszt needed a Bosey - everything else fell to bits in his hands.

Liszt normally performed with at least two pianos on stage -- not because he would play with other pianists, but because he would frequently break them during the concert! 

Having an extra piano on stage allowed the show to go on no matter what...

[invictious]

Who pays for the broken pianos? Surely no one would have been stupid enough to keep paying?
Oh yay, I can do even more bashing the piano on my Bartok for exam!


Wooooo.
Fun.

[arensky]

"Orage" is in many ways on the right track, the guy has the right instincts and his conception is bold (to say the least). Unfortunately it's excessive and inartistic, there is no drama in his attack, it is merely violent, with no contrast or pacing. He attempts some contrast, but it's handled badly and seems like he is doing it merely to rest his hands. His technique is not lacking, but it is completely uncontrolled.

With some training he could be a brilliant artist but I suspect he is not teachable.

I expect he will seriously injure his hands at the piano, if he hasn't already.

[jlh]

"Orage" is in many ways on the right track, the guy has the right instincts and his conception is bold (to say the least). Unfortunately it's excessive and inartistic, there is no drama in his attack, it is merely violent, with no contrast or pacing. He attempts some contrast, but it's handled badly and seems like he is doing it merely to rest his hands. His technique is not lacking, but it is completely uncontrolled.

With some training he could be a brilliant artist but I suspect he is not teachable.

I expect he will seriously injure his hands at the piano, if he hasn't already.

I suspect you speak for the majority.