Cogluotobüsisletmesi

[pies]

Easily one of the best pieces of the 20th century.  I love it.

[retrouvailles]

It's certainly not one of the best 20th century pieces, but it is one of the most difficult.

[ahinton]

I must admit to never having heard it; I've only ever read through the score, but that experience didn't lead the work to do a whole lot for me after its initial surface fascination, beyond recognising an achievement qua achievement...

I'd rather Finnissy's Fourth Concerto; that's quite difficult, too...

Only a personal opinion, though.

Best,

Alistair

[soliloquy]

It's certainly not one of the best 20th century pieces, but it is one of the most difficult.

True, one of the more boring super-virtuoso works if I say so myself.


Barlow wrote a lot of MUCH better music for piano, and incidentally, since the topic of difficulty was brought up, much more difficult.

[pianochick93]

Speaking of 'interesting' names...

I'll go back in my box now and stop distracting the topic of conversation...

[pies]

Your mom is boring

[soliloquy]

Your mom is boring

No your FACE is boring, you big smelly doo-doo head



 

[elevateme_returns]

True, one of the more boring super-virtuoso works if I say so myself.


Barlow wrote a lot of MUCH better music for piano, and incidentally, since the topic of difficulty was brought up, much more difficult.

hahaha barlow. and hahahaha contemporary music. except kapustin

[retrouvailles]

Don't knock contemporary music. There's some really good stuff out there (besides Kapustin). One just has to find it.

[tengstrand]

I love this Kapustin guy! Checked out some youtube videos...he's next on my list of pieces to play.  How many somatas did he write?
Per

[pies]

Please stay on topic, fatties.  Also, let's not resort to personal attacks.

[wotgoplunk]

Please stay on topic, fatties.  Also, let's not resort to personal attacks.

Oh ze irony.

[indutrial]

Don't knock contemporary music. There's some really good stuff out there (besides Kapustin). One just has to find it.

Finding it is easy. Not being a nay-saying dickweed about it is another thing entirely.

I agree with Alastair that Finnissy's 4th concerto is definitely a bit more exciting than Barlow's piece. But that's just my opinion and I've only listened to Cogluotobüsisletmesi maybe three times through (and only by Herbert Henck).

[ahinton]

Finding it is easy. Not being a nay-saying dickweed about it is another thing entirely.

I agree with Alastair that Finnissy's 4th concerto is definitely a bit more exciting than Barlow's piece. But that's just my opinion and I've only listened to Cogluotobüsisletmesi maybe three times through (and only by Herbert Henck).

But then has anyone other than Henck yet recorded the piece? I'm not aware of any other recording at this point (but will be happy to be disproved on this if such is possible).

Best,

Alistair

[retrouvailles]

I think there is a computer rendering floating around. I remember hearing about it sometime, maybe through John Carey (remember him?).

I love this Kapustin guy! Checked out some youtube videos...he's next on my list of pieces to play.  How many somatas did he write?
Per

He has 16 piano sonatas. After hearing your Mécanisme from Dichotomie, I would sure love to hear you play Kapustin!

[indutrial]

I've heard the MIDI version of the OC that John Carey started working on, but I've not yet heard (or heard of) any version of the Barlow piece.

[pies]

But then has anyone other than Henck yet recorded the piece? I'm not aware of any other recording at this point (but will be happy to be disproved on this if such is possible).

Best,

Alistair

I'm pretty sure that on the Henck record there's also a synthesized recording.

[pies]

Hinton, you should force Powell to record the piece.
Do it.

[pies]

How did I manage to post those two posts exactly one hour apart? 

[retrouvailles]

I think Powell should record pieces of far better quality than this piece. This piece would seriously be more trouble than it is worth. Even for a piano technician (some notes on the piano need to be tuned differently specially for this piece).

[pies]

Half an hour and around 40 pages should be no trouble when compared to Opus Clav. 

And how is this piece lacking, quality-wise?

[ahinton]

Hinton, you should force Powell to record the piece.
Do it.

I am not in the habit of forcing anyone to do anything, let alone Jonathan Powell to play particular repertoire other than of his own personal choice. I think that many people are far more eager that he records OC, of which he has already given four public and one private performance. His repertoire is enormous and wide-ranging - Finnissy and Rakhmaninov, Bach and Sorabji, Chopin and Ferneyhough, many of the works of Skryabin, on whom he is one of the world's leading authorities (the article on Skryabin in the current Grove is by him) - and he has naturally chosen all of it himself. I'm quite sure that if he ever decides that he'd like to prepare the Barlow piece, he will do so without any external persuasion from me or anyone else.

Best,

Alistair

[pies]

Maybe he hasn't heard of the piece?  You could at least introduce him to it.

[ahinton]

Maybe he hasn't heard of the piece?  You could at least introduce him to it.

I could, although I'd be surprised if he is not already aware of it, frankly...

Best,

Alistair

[indutrial]

I could, although I'd be surprised if he is not already aware of it, frankly...

Best,

Alistair

Indeed... just from noticing his posts on Pianophilia suggests that he's got a pretty thorough knowledge of piano literature, including lots of obscure post-Scriabinist music and composers you never hear about. It is definitely good to suggest pieces to Powell though.

I could understand a pianist not wanting to include this in their repertoire. Having to retune the piano would make it necessary to either have two pianos (one prepared, one tuned normally) or play a concert consisting solely of the Barlow piece. Perhaps a recording would be cool, but I wouldn't hope for it. Powell has talked about possibly tackling some of Sorabji's more daunting work, including Sequencia Cyclia (not to mention the OC), so combining that and his massive repertoire of difficult twentieth century pieces should keep him as busy as he needs to be.

[mephisto]

....Rakhmaninov (....) Skryabin...

This is extremely OT, but what made you decide to write their names like that? I have noticed that you always write Skryabin, as opposed to the more conventional (in english) Scriabin.

[indutrial]

This is extremely OT, but what made you decide to write their names like that? I have noticed that you always write Skryabin, as opposed to the more conventional (in english) Scriabin.

I'm reminded of the troubles I used to have in the library looking for texts by Dostoevsky and other Russians, only to find that I also would have to be searching for Dostoyevsky and Dostoevskii and Dostoyevskii.

[pies]

I will think of Powell as a musical failure until he records Cogluotobüsisletmesi. 

[retrouvailles]

I will think of Powell as a musical failure until he records Cogluotobüsisletmesi. 

And you will be a very small minority in that thinking. With his work on Sorabji alone, he is an extremely accomplished man.

[pies]

Yeah, I'm just saying a bunch of bullshit.  If anyone's a musical failure, it's me.

[retrouvailles]

Smartest thing you've said all day.