Bernhard's way of teaching...

[00range]

Ornamentation and, unrelated, triplets.

I'm nearly finished putting HT on Invention no. 1, and I'm wondering how you go about teaching ornamentation.

I would imagine it would be possible to listen to a favorite recording, and simply imitate the ornamentation, but I'd much rather have a sound understanding of ornamentation, and be able to correctly apply it to this and future pieces.

On another piece I'm working on,  Chopin Waltz no.18 Eb Major, I've run into triplets. Counting triplets being only a vague theoretical uncertainty to me, this is somewhat of a problem.

Is there any specific way that you introduce triplets to your students?

My boundless thanks in advance,

Ry

Edit: Sorry, I should've been more specific. My problem is not so much the triplet alone, but that it appears in the right hand while remaining a quarter note in the left hand.

[tenn]

Triplets-

Let's say you have 3 crochets  in a bar and the 3rd one is a triplet, think triplet on the first two but just play single notes then let yourself go on the third.
Thinking- diddley, diddley, diddley
Playing  - did      , did       , diddley

Bernhard eat your heart out.

[Toivot]

Bernhard's way of teaching...

I think Bernhard isn't the only one in this forum who has good ideas; there are enough people beside Bernhard who can help you with your question, I think.   

[00range]

I think Bernhard isn't the only one in this forum who has good ideas; there are enough people beside Bernhard who can help you with your question, I think.   

I don't recall saying that there weren't anyone else with good ideas out there, and I don't appreciate the non-helpful, condescending manner you've answered.

If anyone other than Bernhard can answer how Bernhard would teach this, great, I'm all ears.

Again, I don't mean to infer that aren't others on this forum whose time and contributions aren't greatly appreciated. Only that, I have personally found Bernhard's way to consistently produce amazing results and have kept me coming back for more.

[tenn]

I don't appreciate the non-helpful, condescending manner you've answered.

I hope you're not referring to my diddley suggestion. Condescension wasn't intended.
I first encountered triplets in tin whistle tunes and diddley diddley is a useful way to get started. Don't knock it till you've tried it, even with two hands. My piano teacher explained thumb under ( I know, I shouldn't be doing it) by comparing it with a little boat gliding under a bridge. I found that helpful, not condescending.

[00range]

I hope you're not referring to my diddley suggestion. Condescension wasn't intended.
I first encountered triplets in tin whistle tunes and diddley diddley is a useful way to get started. Don't knock it till you've tried it, even with two hands. My piano teacher explained thumb under ( I know, I shouldn't be doing it) by comparing it with a little boat gliding under a bridge. I found that helpful, not condescending.

No, no, no... I was referring to Toivot's comment. I found your advice helpful and on point. Thank you, and I apologize for the mix up.

[tenn]

That's o.k. then.
My teacher tells me to slow things down to the point where I can think about everything that is going on. I was reading somewhere that some professional pianists slow tricky passages down to one note per second when they're trying to get the hang of it.
So if you wanted to combine 2 quavers with a triplet in the same time you might very slowly count 6 with left hand on 1 and 4 and right hand on odd numbers or you could also say diddin diddin diddin
              r+l      r    l     r
My sight reading book encourages me to tap rhythms like this on the wood of the piano or you could try it first with index fingers on the same notes, just to simplify it until you get a reasonable speed.
I have no doubt, in time it will become second nature and you'll wonder what the fuss was.

[tenn]

Those r and l s need to be shifted right but you get the idea

[mound]

Search around, I'm positive Bernhard has posted a wealth of information on exactly how he teaches this invention, including several possibilities and reasons for, ornamentation. I can't find the link right now, but a quick search should find it for ya

[00range]

Search around, I'm positive Bernhard has posted a wealth of information on exactly how he teaches this invention, including several possibilities and reasons for, ornamentation. I can't find the link right now, but a quick search should find it for ya

I know exactly the thread you refer to, and in fact it's why I decided to start the Invention, to test out the waters with Bernhard's practice scheme.

Unfortunately, the link where he talks about ornamentation is dead. I'm hoping that he'll be kind enough to repost, or direct me to where I can find it.

Thanks mound.

[bernhard]

I know exactly the thread you refer to, and in fact it's why I decided to start the Invention, to test out the waters with Bernhard's practice scheme.

Unfortunately, the link where he talks about ornamentation is dead. I'm hoping that he'll be kind enough to repost, or direct me to where I can find it.

Thanks mound.

Bach ornamentation:

Have a look here:

http://www.pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,7857.msg78912.html#msg78912
(ornamentation and inventions – general discussion on ornamentation)

http://www.pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,8015.msg81149.html#msg81149
(ornamentation of invention no. 1)


(I will try to come back later for the Chopin)

Best wishes,
Bernhard.

[00range]

Bach ornamentation:

Have a look here:

http://www.pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,7857.msg78912.html#msg78912
(ornamentation and inventions – general discussion on ornamentation)

http://www.pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,8015.msg81149.html#msg81149
(ornamentation of invention no. 1)


(I will try to come back later for the Chopin)

Best wishes,
Bernhard.

Excellent! You are my knight in shining armour Bernhard!