Piano Street - piano sheet music
December 03, 2008, 12:20:11 AM *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
   Forum Home   Help Search  

There are currently 4 users in the Piano Street chat rooms! Welcome in!
Pages: [1]   Go Down
  Print  
Author Topic: Ravel: Ondine & Scarbo from "Gaspard de la Nuit"  (Read 4674 times)
electrafingers
PS Silver Member
Jr. Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 50
« on: June 15, 2005, 02:58:01 PM »
Hello everyone,
Please tell me what you think. This was recorded in a live concert.

Ondine -> http://www.acidplanet.com/artist.asp?PID=570105&T=8956
Scarbo -> http://www.acidplanet.com/artist.asp?PID=569803&T=9103
Do you find this post useful? Yes / No
Logged
"The laws of morality are also those of art" - Robert Schumann
piano sheet music of Ondine
piano sheet music of Scarbo
allchopin
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1193
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2005, 06:28:55 PM »
Fantastic - thank you for the goosebumps.  Cheesy
Do you find this post useful? Yes / No
Logged
A modern house without a flush toilet... uncanny.
nanabush
PS Silver Member
Sr. Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 1197
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2005, 11:38:09 PM »
Wow your crazy, ya gooesebumps, scarbo is absolutely insane.
Do you find this post useful? Yes / No
Logged
The Snozberries taste like Snozberries!!
rob47
PS Silver Member
Sr. Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 905
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2005, 05:15:13 AM »
First of all it is COLLOSAL!!!!!!  Your interp is mind blowing!!!

I guess my only suggestion is try to be more original? (if possible with what you've already done).  I've heard many recordings of this, Pogolreich, argerich etc.  and your's has affected me just as much as their's!  you're scarbo is an incredible, very well thought out performance.  Clearly you've got legendary chopz  Grin  So my only suggestion is experiment even more with the tone colours and INSANE technique RAvel has offered you!!

F****ING INCREDIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Excellent work!
Do you find this post useful? Yes / No
Logged
"Phenomenon 1 is me"
-Alexis Weissenberg
electrafingers
PS Silver Member
Jr. Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 50
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2005, 07:08:35 AM »
Hey, thank you very much for your comments. I'm really glad you enjoyed it!
Do you find this post useful? Yes / No
Logged
"The laws of morality are also those of art" - Robert Schumann
BoliverAllmon
PS Gold Member
Sr. Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 4210
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2005, 02:42:21 PM »
great playing. My friend recently asked his teacher if he could play ondine. After catching his breath after laughing so hard, he "politely and emphatically" said, "No." I am going to play your recordings to show him why the teacher laughed so hard. Great examples. Keep up the good work.

boliver
Do you find this post useful? Yes / No
Logged
lauralouise
PS Silver Member
Jr. Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 29
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2005, 09:13:33 PM »
it wont let me play it....i dont know why Cry
Do you find this post useful? Yes / No
Logged
When you smile at me the way you do......oh ....my ....goodness!
nanabush
PS Silver Member
Sr. Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 1197
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2005, 09:50:02 PM »
I saw on another thread that scarbo was in some top ten list for most difficult overall pieces for solo piano...is there an actual list?  If so what else is on it?

Once again as I said earlier, awesome playing, incredible!  I listened to it again a few minutes ago.
Do you find this post useful? Yes / No
Logged
The Snozberries taste like Snozberries!!
electrafingers
PS Silver Member
Jr. Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 50
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2005, 07:50:39 AM »
Thanks again Smiley I don't know about a list, but I know that when Ravel wrote this piece it was meant to be the most difficult for piano solo, replacing Balakiriev's Islamey.
Do you find this post useful? Yes / No
Logged
"The laws of morality are also those of art" - Robert Schumann
nanabush
PS Silver Member
Sr. Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 1197
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2005, 11:28:18 PM »
Replacing Islamey, interesting, they both sound extremely difficult, and are both quite long.  That's kinda funny, was that his only purpous in writing Scarbo?  And was Ravel inspired to write the Gaspard de la Nuit?  I tried finding info but found only poems with the same titles as his pieces, and they were kinda creepy, was he inspired by these poems?
Do you find this post useful? Yes / No
Logged
The Snozberries taste like Snozberries!!
electrafingers
PS Silver Member
Jr. Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 50
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2005, 05:31:21 PM »
Ravel was introduced to the poems of the French poet Aloysius Bertrand by his friend Ricardo Viņes, and he chose three pomes (Ondine, Le Gibet and Scarbo) to write his work for piano after. I think they are quite interesting actually. Anyway Ravel was apparently fascinated by them and decided to call his work "Gaspard de la Nuit", after Bertrand's book "Gaspard de la Nuit: Fantaisies ā la maničre de Rembrandt et de Callot", although only Ondine is an actual part of the book; Le Gibet and Scarbo were taken from a different book by Bertrand. Ravel's music is surely inspired by the poems, but obviously he added much out of his own imagination.
Ravel has told Maurice Delage, his friend and pupil, that he wanted this work to be of transcendental virtuosity, and that he wanted it to be more difficult than Balakirev's Islamey, which was known as the most technically difficult piece for piano at the time. But I think none of this matters, these pieces are probably not the most difficult ever written, as difficult as they are.
Do you find this post useful? Yes / No
Logged
"The laws of morality are also those of art" - Robert Schumann
ajw400
PS Silver Member
Jr. Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 31
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2005, 12:55:57 AM »
Electrafingers, this is a very fine recording. I appreciate very much the clarity in your sound and your ability to play so musically, really - and this is from someone else who also plays these pieces. IMHO Ondine is sometimes played with too much rubato, but that was not the case here.

On a very, very high level, though, I would have two ideas about Ondine that are reflected in my performances that maybe you'd like to play around with. 1. In a hall with good acoustics, the glissandi need no crescendo at the top - they are devastatingly effective if extremely quiet and atmospheric and you can finger the very top of the first one for clarity if necessary. I use the fleshy part of my hand to make an even less notey and better texture. 2. The very last arpeggio figure sounds much more like the opening figure if, starting on the bottom G# in the right hand, you use the fingering 1 2 5 1 2 5 ... that way you get the same rhthmic groupings as the beginning and if you try it, it is extremely easy to make a very interesting sound.

But enough of my opinions.... I would like to know more about you - how old are you, do you have recordings out for me to buy? You sound amazing!!!
Do you find this post useful? Yes / No
Logged
electrafingers
PS Silver Member
Jr. Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 50
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2005, 02:49:50 PM »
Hey ajw400, thank you for your kind words. I am a 22 years old student and I don't have recordings of me to buy, but I am flattered by the thought Smiley

Both your ideas sound interesting, and I should check them out some time.
Do you find this post useful? Yes / No
Logged
"The laws of morality are also those of art" - Robert Schumann
pianote
PS Silver Member
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 200
« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2005, 09:10:41 PM »
what did you use to record yourself? the clarity is amazing
Do you find this post useful? Yes / No
Logged
orlandopiano
PS Silver Member
Sr. Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 350
« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2005, 04:21:37 AM »
Gorgeous playing. You are very talented!
Do you find this post useful? Yes / No
Logged
electrafingers
PS Silver Member
Jr. Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 50
« Reply #15 on: July 04, 2005, 06:33:55 AM »
It was recorded using professional equipment in our school, with a professional sound man, though it didn't go through mastering and no changes were made.
Do you find this post useful? Yes / No
Logged
"The laws of morality are also those of art" - Robert Schumann
pokeythepenguin
Guest
« Reply #16 on: July 04, 2005, 06:51:48 AM »
I loved the Ondine ^^  Honestly sounds like a professional playing.
Do you find this post useful? Yes / No
Logged
techlogik
PS Silver Member
Newbie
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 18
« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2005, 07:54:27 PM »
Wow...that was nearly legendary... Shocked
Do you find this post useful? Yes / No
Logged
electrafingers
PS Silver Member
Jr. Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 50
« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2005, 12:13:18 PM »
Hey guys I got new recordings of these pieces, also from a live concert. here they are:

Ondine -> http://www.acidplanet.com/artist.asp?PID=673697&t=4961
Scarbo -> http://www.acidplanet.com/artist.asp?PID=673689&t=5423

Listen and comment if you like
ciao
Do you find this post useful? Yes / No
Logged
"The laws of morality are also those of art" - Robert Schumann
teresa_b
PS Silver Member
Sr. Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 594
« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2005, 12:24:43 AM »
FABULOUS!  Let me know when you're going on tour.

Teresa
Do you find this post useful? Yes / No
Logged
JP
PS Silver Member
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 158
« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2005, 01:41:33 AM »
Beautiful performance. Congrats!
Do you find this post useful? Yes / No
Logged
crazy for ivan moravec
PS Silver Member
Sr. Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 602
« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2005, 04:13:35 AM »
THEY DIDN'T SOUND LIKE PIANO!!!!! Shocked

THEY DIDN'T SOUND LIKE PIANO!!!!! Shocked

THEY DIDN'T SOUND LIKE PIANO!!!!! Shocked




- and that's what's GREAT  about it! Grin  Wink

am also 22 years old and there's no way i could play like that!

congratulations!
Do you find this post useful? Yes / No
Logged
crazy for ivan moravec
PS Silver Member
Sr. Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 602
« Reply #22 on: November 27, 2005, 04:21:44 AM »
btw, i also heard ur schumann symphonic etudes! great playing! Wink
Do you find this post useful? Yes / No
Logged
electrafingers
PS Silver Member
Jr. Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 50
« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2005, 10:56:33 AM »
hehe thanks crazy, what did they sound like?
Do you find this post useful? Yes / No
Logged
"The laws of morality are also those of art" - Robert Schumann
JP
PS Silver Member
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 158
« Reply #24 on: November 29, 2005, 05:21:19 AM »
heh I'm also 22...  I'm glad you guys arent teens playing Proko and Ravel like that..
Do you find this post useful? Yes / No
Logged
crazy for ivan moravec
PS Silver Member
Sr. Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 602
« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2005, 02:04:50 PM »
Quote from: electrafingers on November 28, 2005, 10:56:33 AM
hehe thanks crazy, what did they sound like?

yep, nothing sounded like piano at all. they were images, impressions, imaginations at play!
wonderful!

i once had a masterclass with this filipino Reynaldo Reyes (studied with Marguerite Long in paris conservatoire) with the Reflet dans l'eau of Debussy, and he said that almost everything should not sound like piano, except measures 57-60. colors! colors! colors!
Do you find this post useful? Yes / No
Logged
rachfan
PS Silver Member
Sr. Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 1462
« Reply #26 on: November 24, 2006, 03:33:31 AM »
An absolutely astonishing and fantastic performance of Scarbo!  I was blown away by it.  Just extraordinary.  I could listen to your playing all night. 
Do you find this post useful? Yes / No
Logged
jakev2.0
PS Silver Member
Sr. Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 815
« Reply #27 on: November 28, 2006, 10:41:41 PM »
Metzuyan.  Smiley
Do you find this post useful? Yes / No
Logged
counterpoint
PS Silver Member
Sr. Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 2012
« Reply #28 on: November 29, 2006, 12:29:52 AM »
rachfan, thank you so much for bringing up this old thread!

I never heard such a beautiful piano playing in my whole life - it's a miracle.


And now guess, who won the 1st prize in the



Quote

Newport International Competition for Young Pianists 2006

The Final took place on Saturday 14 October with each of the three finalists performing a Concerto accompanied by the BBC National Orchestra of Wales conducted by Jac van Steen.
Congratulations to this year’s winner Ishay Shaer!

Ishay performed Chopin’s Concerto No 2 in F minor, op 21

http://www.newport.gov.uk/_dc/index.cfm?fuseaction=riverfront.whatson&contentid=CONT055166
Do you find this post useful? Yes / No
Logged
It's the movement that makes the sound.
rachfan
PS Silver Member
Sr. Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 1462
« Reply #29 on: December 01, 2006, 12:38:31 AM »
Hi counterpoint,

I agree--this is a highly impressive performance!  If you haven't already done so, you can also listen to "Ondine", the first piece of Gaspard de le nuit, which she also recorded and posted here.  It's over on page 3 now.
Do you find this post useful? Yes / No
Logged
jakev2.0
PS Silver Member
Sr. Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 815
« Reply #30 on: December 01, 2006, 02:30:18 AM »
Haha, I think Ishay is a dude. The name Yishay is Hebrew for "Jesse" who was a King - also the father of the famous King David.  Wink
Do you find this post useful? Yes / No
Logged
rachfan
PS Silver Member
Sr. Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 1462
« Reply #31 on: December 01, 2006, 03:22:35 AM »
Hi jakev,

Thanks for correcting me on the name gender issue.  It's embarrassing to make an error like that, although it's not a name you see often.  Embarrassed   At least the record has been set straight.   
Do you find this post useful? Yes / No
Logged
imbetter
PS Silver Member
Sr. Member
***
Online Online

Posts: 986
« Reply #32 on: December 22, 2006, 05:03:30 PM »
Wow i cant believe u pulled this off!

I started learning this. I could learning this but I'm going to put it off due to its difficulty

BTW this is Ravels only useful piece
Do you find this post useful? Yes / No
Logged
To have power you need an army, to have an army you need power.
steve jones
PS Silver Member
Sr. Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 1381
« Reply #33 on: December 22, 2006, 07:16:21 PM »

Wow, thats amazing! Welldone my good man.

Im 25 and battling like crazy with the easier Chopin Etudes. So its not really for me to comment on your playing, other than to say I enjoyed it very much indeed.


Imbetterthenyou,

Mate, are you insane? Ravel's only useful piece???

I think that question was rhetoric...  Roll Eyes

SJ
Do you find this post useful? Yes / No
Logged
elevateme_returns
PS Silver Member
Sr. Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 758