Hidden Masterpiece

[presto agitato]

Cesar Frack Piano Concerto num 2 in B minor is the most underrated piano concerto ever.

Wonderful music, full of drama and its hard to believe that Franck composed it when he was 15 years old. 

Listen or Die ¡¡¡ 

[debussy symbolism]

Greetings.

15, that is really awesome.

[jre58591]

it is underrated for a very large reason: it had its world premiere very recently by pianist dmitri ratser, for it is a newly discovered piano concerto. however, i agree. it is a very nice piano concerto worthy of recognition. hopefully more people will record it and it will hopefully get some respect it deserves.

[panic]

Heck of an accomplishment for a 15 year old. After hearing it, that's one of the most impressive young-age-music things I've ever come across.

I do think, though, that it suffers from no flaw of its own (I can find very few in the construction), but from the fact that there are too many concertos like it. It doesn't establish enough of a unique place for itself among concertos. Yet I can't blame it, as it was written by a prolific 15 year old who was no doubt absorbing the compositional trends of his time.

[thaicheow]

Anyway that I can listen to it? Pleeeeeeeeeeeease...........................

[presto agitato]

Anyway that I can listen to it? Pleeeeeeeeeeeease...........................

There´s a free recording at  www.classicalarchives.com however the audio quality is real bad.

I have a NAXOS recording

[presto agitato]

Franck´s Piano Concero num 1 is lost

[phil13]

I somehow feel the need to bring this thread up again.

First of all, I wholeheartedly agree; Franck's concerto is one of the amazing ones. I especially love the 1st mvt. - the piano entrance is incredibly moving.

The form reminds me of Brahms, the orchestral style is reminiscent of Beethoven, and the piano writing- original, but somehow Chopinesque as well.

When was this work discovered? I tried looking for the score but unfortunately one publisher holds the monopoly at this point in time, and they charge a steep price.

Phil

[presto agitato]

The form reminds me of Brahms

The correct would be that the Brams´s reminds you the Franck

[prometheus]

The correct would be that the Brams´s reminds you the Franck

How could Brahms have reminded him of Franck if this is the first time he hears the piece? I don't understand.

Clearly he is listening to Franck now and it reminds him of Brahms pieces he heard before. How is this wrong? And how can you turn it around and claim it is more correct?

[nicco]

How could Brahms have reminded him of Franck if this is the first time he hears the piece? I don't understand.

Clearly he is listening to Franck now and it reminds him of Brahms pieces he heard before. How is this wrong? And how can you turn it around and claim it is more correct?

Maybe he was trying to point out that brahms was inspired by franck.

[phil13]

How could Brahms have reminded him of Franck if this is the first time he hears the piece? I don't understand.

Clearly he is listening to Franck now and it reminds him of Brahms pieces he heard before. How is this wrong? And how can you turn it around and claim it is more correct?

Actually, I've listened to the piece many times by now.  The first thing that struck me was that the form of the 1st mvt was surprisingly similar to that of Brahms' Concerto No.1, 1st mvt., especially the orchestral opening and the method of the piano entrance.

Did Franck write it before Brahms wrote his? I'm not so great on exact dates.

Phil

[cmg]

Would love to hear this concerto.  Is the Naxos the recommended recording, or is this the ONLY available recording?

[phil13]

Ratser has recorded it, and so has Martin Van Der Hoeck- I don't know if anyone else has. Also, I'm not sure which one, if either, is the Naxos rec.

Phil

[jre58591]

françois-joël thiollier has also recorded it, along with the other franck piano-orchestra works. id highly reccommend his recording.

[pianote]

correcting people on web forums like these is kinda obnoxious (if not pretentious) ... especially if it's not over factual things ... but, w/e.