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« Reply #50 on: June 23, 2008, 06:32:26 AM »

The preludes of Debyssy.
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« Reply #51 on: June 23, 2008, 02:56:00 PM »

o rly?
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« Reply #52 on: June 29, 2008, 09:19:12 PM »

o rly?
Does a fragmented French airport really have an indelible connection to the piano preludes of one of that country's great composers?...

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« Reply #53 on: June 30, 2008, 02:16:04 AM »

That was an abbreviation (and internet meme) of "oh, really?".

And I would say that those preludes are definitely not the hardest piano pieces. Not by a longshot.
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« Reply #54 on: June 30, 2008, 03:12:27 AM »

How many more "hardest piece" threads do there have to be before people realise that there isn't an answer to this question...  especially when there are pieces out there for solo piano that aren't even physically possible to play (like Cogluotobusisletmesi or Evryali).
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« Reply #55 on: June 30, 2008, 03:33:36 AM »

How many more "hardest piece" threads do there have to be before people realise that there isn't an answer to this question...  especially when there are pieces out there for solo piano that aren't even physically possible to play (like Cogluotobusisletmesi or Evryali).

Some people play Evryali, no?
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« Reply #56 on: June 30, 2008, 04:02:29 AM »

Yeah, many people do. I saw it performed once by Gloria Cheng, who basically is one of those pianists with a superhuman technique.
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« Reply #57 on: June 30, 2008, 04:29:45 AM »

Some people play Evryali, no?

I meant impossible to play 100%.  eg. Henck played Cogluotobusisletmesi, but left out half the notes. 
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« Reply #58 on: June 30, 2008, 06:24:25 AM »

That was an abbreviation (and internet meme) of "oh, really?".
I knew that, actually. Oh, never mind...

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« Reply #59 on: June 30, 2008, 07:32:55 PM »

Ahinton's sense of humour is obviously not understood by everyone Tongue
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« Reply #60 on: June 30, 2008, 09:27:45 PM »

I didn't actually know it was an airport.  I had merely known that it was a city.
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« Reply #61 on: July 03, 2008, 05:35:05 PM »

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« Reply #62 on: July 05, 2008, 02:08:29 AM »

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« Reply #63 on: July 07, 2008, 07:02:06 PM »

Standard rep?  Prokofiev and Rachmaninoff and Bartok concerti make the highest physical demands, whereas Brahms 2 pushes difficulty in terms of awkwardness in addition to very high demands.
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« Reply #64 on: September 21, 2008, 11:20:12 PM »

Satie's "Vexations"

Can't think of anything harder than that...
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« Reply #65 on: September 22, 2008, 10:49:22 AM »

grrrrr....
another one of these!
why is it never the most beautiful piece? or something like that...
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« Reply #66 on: September 22, 2008, 01:16:40 PM »

Because people are obsessed with competition.
It's an animal thing, being the alpha male and all...

"What is hardest?", "Who is fastest?", "Who has the largest middle finger?"

It's all pretty pointless if you ask me

But there actually is a "Most beautiful piece" thread
http://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php/topic,25297.0.html
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« Reply #67 on: September 22, 2008, 01:55:14 PM »

Everything is a competition these days isn't it?!
There are plenty of differences is the wird "hardest". There is Balakirev: Islamey, which is one of the hardest pieces techniqually... Uhm... Then there is Chopin's forth ballade, which is very difficult (maybe not THE most, but still very hard) musically, and techniqually. and so on...
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« Reply #68 on: September 25, 2008, 11:50:01 AM »

stuff from xenakis and finnisy.
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« Reply #69 on: September 25, 2008, 11:58:23 AM »

Quote from: mephisto on June 30, 2008, 07:32:55 PM
Ahinton's sense of humour is obviously not understood by everyoneanyone
You speak for yourself (no one else is likely to do so).

Suffer me
Sadly, we do...

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« Reply #70 on: October 17, 2008, 11:09:03 AM »

Nobody wan'ts to play my compositions.
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« Reply #71 on: October 23, 2008, 05:50:07 AM »

Nobody wan'ts to play my compositions.

Maybe because they are bad.
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« Reply #72 on: December 22, 2008, 04:00:29 PM »

Nobody wan'ts to play my compositions.

if you give me the sheet music i will play them  Smiley


and i will give you suggestions so you will be a little bit better  Cheesy
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« Reply #73 on: December 22, 2008, 09:51:04 PM »

I don't know about Hardest but what about the Schoenberg concerto Mitsuko Uchida says that it is a different sort of hard from the Rachmaninov ones which she says are purly technical but she says this one is also a mental challenge as well and is very awkward to play (as Schoenberg was not a great pianist)

I can't play it but it sounds jolly hard
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« Reply #74 on: January 14, 2009, 09:47:40 PM »

the Circues Galop by Marc-Andre Hamelin
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« Reply #75 on: January 14, 2009, 10:53:25 PM »

'Reminiscences de Norma' by liszt Smiley
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« Reply #76 on: April 07, 2009, 06:50:15 PM »

that one piece of music that mozart wrote thats so hard nobodys can play it.! Duh!1!
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« Reply #77 on: April 08, 2009, 08:08:58 PM »

that one piece of music that mozart wrote thats so hard nobodys can play it.! Duh!1!


which piece is this?
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« Reply #78 on: April 08, 2009, 08:34:30 PM »

that one piece of music that mozart wrote thats so hard nobodys can play it.! Duh!1!


which piece is this?

Twinkle Twinkle Little Star  Grin
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« Reply #79 on: April 09, 2009, 01:44:05 PM »

Twinkle Twinkle Little Star  Grin


I was unaware he composed that.
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« Reply #80 on: April 14, 2009, 06:09:05 PM »


I was unaware he composed that.

o my gosh everybody knows that!!!!!
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« Reply #81 on: April 14, 2009, 06:12:41 PM »


which piece is this?


Communist? we dont know!!! google it!!! its sum kindof concerto I think! but do the reasearch yourself. Dont just rely on other people to come and wait on you and tell you the answer!!!! maybe it should be served with a gold spoon too!!!  im just kidding btw
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« Reply #82 on: April 14, 2009, 10:40:00 PM »


Communist? we dont know!!! google it!!! its sum kindof concerto I think! but do the reasearch yourself. Dont just rely on other people to come and wait on you and tell you the answer!!!! maybe it should be served with a gold spoon too!!!  im just kidding btw


No Mozart piece is amazingly difficult (technically). Are you thinking of Liszt's fantasy on Don Jaun?
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« Reply #83 on: December 16, 2009, 02:45:54 PM »

I've heard Rachmaninoff's 3rd Concerto was the most difficult piece to play, due to all the big octives.
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« Reply #84 on: December 16, 2009, 06:12:29 PM »

 Grin
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« Reply #85 on: December 16, 2009, 06:36:38 PM »

I think that Bethofen's Fur Eliehse (or however you write this) is definitely the hardest song ever!!!!   Shocked

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« Reply #86 on: December 16, 2009, 06:54:15 PM »

I think its Mozart's 'sonata ne facile pas'. I heard it was definitely not easy!
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« Reply #87 on: December 16, 2009, 07:06:02 PM »

I think its Mozart's 'sonata ne facile pas'. I heard it was definitely not easy!

Well this one is certainly hors catégorie http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hors_Categorie
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« Reply #88 on: December 16, 2009, 07:26:31 PM »

 Grin  Grin funny ! Grin
hmm why is that Mozart sonata named in French? Smiley shouldnt it be maybe something like sonata nicht leicht?  Grin  Grin
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« Reply #89 on: December 16, 2009, 07:33:07 PM »

Grin  Grin funny ! Grin
hmm why is that Mozart sonata named in French? Smiley shouldnt it be maybe something like sonata nicht leicht?  Grin  Grin

It's actually not named at all, as far as I know. It's Mozart's sonata in C Major KV 545. It got the nick "Sonata facile" from somebody (But I guess not Mozart himself, since otherwise it would appear in serious editions) which means "easy sonata" in Italian.
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« Reply #90 on: December 16, 2009, 07:38:22 PM »

oh ok Smiley thanks for explaining Smiley i didnt know that! Smiley but : "ne facile pas" is not Italian its French Tongue Smiley
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« Reply #91 on: December 16, 2009, 07:40:47 PM »

oh ok Smiley thanks for explaining Smiley i didnt know that! Smiley but : "ne facile pas" is not Italian its French Tongue Smiley

Yes I know and it's of course incorrect french. It was only a joke  Grin
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« Reply #92 on: December 16, 2009, 07:47:32 PM »

 Grin i know  Grin (i just didnt know about the "Sonata facile" Smiley thanks! )
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« Reply #93 on: December 16, 2009, 08:41:13 PM »

Yes I know and it's of course incorrect french. It was only a joke  Grin

I believe you immediately its incorrect french, but i'm also very proud it was my worst subject in highschool, moi je deteste parle francais Smiley
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« Reply #94 on: December 16, 2009, 10:35:31 PM »

God, reading back through this thread makes me lulz.

Anyway, just wanted to add that I've come across a new contender since this thread was ancient history and when it was revived just now.  Just to put "hardest" into perspective for some of you people that aren't familiar with contemporary music, here is an example of what is *actually* some of the hardest music:



I can certainly count Hammerklavier easier than I can count... actually, I can't even count how many nests that is, much less count the rhythm.
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« Reply #95 on: December 16, 2009, 10:50:44 PM »

What the bloody hell is a nest??
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« Reply #96 on: December 16, 2009, 10:51:31 PM »

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God, reading back through this thread makes me lulz.

Anyway, just wanted to add that I've come across a new contender since this thread was ancient history and when it was revived just now.  Just to put "hardest" into perspective for some of you people that aren't familiar with contemporary music, here is an example of what is *actually* some of the hardest music:



I can certainly count Hammerklavier easier than I can count... actually, I can't even count how many nests that is, much less count the rhythm.

Which piece is that?
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« Reply #97 on: December 17, 2009, 12:31:21 AM »




One - that's not hard - it's just idiotic... two - I doubt it's actually a decent piece of music... and three - who the *** wants to play that crap???
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« Reply #98 on: December 17, 2009, 03:14:57 AM »

What the bloody hell is a nest??

A nest is short for a nested tuplet, which is when you have a tuplet inside a tuplet (inside a tuplet, etc). Seeing nested tuplets isn't that weird, but seeing multiple nestings like that is just ridiculous. It's probably a British New-Complexist composer's piece. Having that sort of difficulty better be justified in the musical context of that work, or else it's just too hard to be worth playing.

And that brings up yet another topic. Something by a 20th/21st century composer may have monstrous technical difficulties, but are the musical difficulties always that high also? I could certainly come up with some pieces with a monstrous technical difficulty, but a rather straightforward musical difficulty.
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« Reply #99 on: December 17, 2009, 08:02:26 AM »

It's Gordon Downie. There's a substantial interview between him and Ian Pace at http://www.musicalpointers.co.uk/articles/generaltopics/DowniePace.htm, for anyone interested in finding out more. He's a computer scientist as well. I heard a largeish ensemble piece of his - Forms something (can't remember now) - a while ago that sounded OK-ish but I really fail to see the point of the above, which inevitably looks a good deal more complex than it sounds. Sorry.

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