You obviously aren't used to people picking you up on your misogyny, personal abuse etc. I'm merely behaving rationally towards someone who threw personal abuse at me last night.But I will leave you to your ravings as I've got better things to do.Who'd have thought a piano forum could be so unpleasant.
You obviously aren't used to people picking you up on your misogyny, personal abuse etc.
But I will leave you to your ravings as I've got better things to do.
You really must learn to control your emotions.They will be your undoing.
If I were head dinner lady - and god forbid that anyone would voluntarily eat anything I'd cooked - I'd know what to do with silly boys like you.
My goodness!!! At first I thought this thread would be a constructive debate, NOT SO!
individuals who had a gram of culture - and there are some like J_Menz
My thread was itself "provoked" by the thread on women composers.But the misogyny on this forum is something I wouldn't have believed unless I'd seen it.I'll be telling Pianostreet I'm not going to renew my subscription when it comes up. I don't pay money to be insulted as I was last night.
Sometimes insults get to the point of only being amusing...I think Thal has made himself into a great caricature and as such the things he says should not insult you to that level.I know humour is often used as a weapon against the attempts to bring out injustices (you know, feminists simply don't have any sense of humour). But in the internet world anything goes until someone is attacked personally and one should learn to stop reading and responding when it starts to feel too serious. Or you can always ask Nils to close the thread (he's from Sweden, where there are strict laws protecting the rights of women). But you cannot correct the world on forums like this.
(and let's not forget that most of the best jokes against Jews are made by Jews).
Nonsense. The best ever Jewish joke was told by Bernard Manning.Thal
True, but when a forum member tries to order another to "control her emotions" when at the same time failing to control his own and, in any case, the concerns expressed here are for the most part less about emotions than about what ought to be common courtesy, tolerance and broadmindedness, one can see that jknott has a point; that said, I know a number of feminists whose sense of humour is highly developed (and let's not forget that most of the best jokes against Jews are made by Jews).Best,Alistair
True, but you forget that he said the best jokes, indicating plural. That means they make the majority of the best, but not necessarily the single best one.
So he did. I stand/sit corrected.Anyway, there was this Jewish chap who was down on his luck, so he thought he would try and win the lottery............................................Thal
Does Thal have emotions?
I think you misunderstood me...I am not the one saying that feminists don't have a sense of humour, but that argument is often used against them.
Both are horrid as is almost anything that ends in ism, but we should be able to laugh at all of them freely.
Here are some feminists. Who ever said they are visually challenged??. There is no evidence.
let it be
Strange coming from a man who did not know John Lennon was 1940-1980.Thal
Strange coming from a man who did not know John Lennon was 1940-1980.
I wonder if someone less hadsome than you might find even a feminist acceptable enough? Not every male is as fortunate as you when it comes to looks...
You forgot the [ sarcasm ] text [ /sarcasm ]
I wonder if someone less hadsome than you
Which is the vast majority of the World's population.
bollox
CLOSE THIS THREADE PLEEEEEAAAASE!!!! I"M TIRED OF SEEING IT MY MESSAGE BOX!!!
Gosh! I've just joined this forum, so maybe I don't know its conventions and running gags, etc.; but I started reading this thread, and was astonished! It sounded very like a sexist, bigoted spat of the sort you find on some of those really vile comment pages on certain tabloid web sites - and yet, after a certain point, it's not going to the very *extremes* of nastiness as these things tend to do when they are for real. Is it all a big joke, and everyone's quietly laughing and enjoying the joke, and no-one's really insulted, and no-one means any malice? If so, it's certainly a strange joke to have here; if it's for real, it's a very unbecoming quarrel to be having here. I haven't read it all - not sure if I can digest it all at once - so maybe I've missed something. Someone, please tell me: is it actually just a big, good-natured joke? I hope so; there's a lot of very interesting discussion about musical topics here by clearly intelligent musicians, and it would be very sad if there were a contingent who were seriously (not jokingly) into that sort of sexism. As a joke, I'm okay with that - I'm not paralyzed by political correctness myself.Regards, Michael.
Ahh... I'm not sure if it *is* sexism or not when it's your own sex you don't like. I am male, and I wouldn't say I dislike men; but I do tend to think some of the criticisms made of them do have a lot of basis, and I do occasionally wonder if women on the whole are kinder, nicer beings. I find the theory quite credible that the way animals (including humans) have evolved would itself tend to give males and females different characteristics or tendencies. Is it sexism if you really believe that, on a biological and psychological basis, there are real differences between men and women which are inherent to their respective sexes? Not out of bias or dislike of one sex, but just because you believe the scientific evidence supports that conclusion? I don't know. I used to know someone who was generally regarded as rather right-wing in his views, and he was a very intelligent, scientifically-literate man (a member of Mensa); and he believed that there are racial differences in intelligence between various ethnic groups or races. For instance, he claimed that, on average, the most intelligent race is Polish Jews (he was not one himself); and he also said that American Blacks are, on average, less intelligent than American Whites (he was a White American, living in Melbourne, Australia at the time, which is where I got to know him). He had no dislike of Blacks that I am aware of, no bad feelings, no desire to discriminate: he simply believed that the scientific evidence for this was strong enough to support the belief. Is that racism? I don't know. I think I have read elsewhere that the consensus of scientific opinion does not support the idea - so possibly my friend was misinformed, or had outdated information - although, going by the kinds of books he read, that doesn't seem likely. But the point is he really believed it to be factually true, and I would not call him racist just for that. He had no desire to form discriminatory social or political policies based on that, and that is a saving grace, because that is the line I would consider taboo. And I have to admit that, when there are obvious physical differences between people that are inherent to race (skin and eye colour, appearance of hair, physique, and so on), it is not itself unreasonable to suppose that some mental or emotional characteristics may similarly be inherent to certain races - although I don't know if this has actually been scientifically verified. We bandy terms like "racism" around rather freely today - maybe some would think me racist for merely raising the possibility I just did about racial differences possibly extending into mental or psychological characteristics.Regards, Michael.
Gosh! I've just joined this forum
Indeed, so perhaps you could reserve judgement until you have been here for say 24 hours??Thal
First impressions can be formed in seconds. Overall and well informed impressions take a fair bit longer.Thal
But of course some assessments require no time at all since they can be made by the presense or lack of certain organs
What organs in particular? More than one organ affects perception.