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Offline hardy_practice

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memory
on: January 25, 2015, 02:26:40 PM
I get the impression that I'm putting things into a black bag and somehow whenever I dip my hand in I grasp exactly what I wanted.  What's going on inside?  I'm perturbed.
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Re: memory
Reply #1 on: January 25, 2015, 03:52:02 PM
Well, I don't have such an issue...When I put my hand in the bag, I often grasp someting unappropriate.

I guess what you have is a well working file system, while mine has been corrupted ;)

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Reply #2 on: January 25, 2015, 04:01:05 PM
memory is an interesting thing.  memory does not equal comprehension. the people who win memory competitions are people of average intelligence who have trained their memory to perform extraordinary feats like memorizing the order of several decks of cards in a short period of time.  the most effective way to remember something is create several connections to it as well as add a visual component. 

a study was conducted where 1 group of people were asked to remember a man's name Baker, while the 2nd group of people were asked to remember a baker as in the profession.  when asked months later to remember the word they found much more people remembered the profession than the name and this has to do with how we process information.  a man's name Baker is a piece of information that is in isolation (to many people) while a baker has many more pieces of information that are associated and people are able to visualize it.  one of the most common methods that memory competitors use to remember huge amounts of information is they add a visual component to something they try to remember, the "method of loci" or "memory palace". 

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Re: memory
Reply #3 on: January 25, 2015, 04:31:14 PM
Well, I don't have such an issue...When I put my hand in the bag, I often grasp someting unappropriate.

I guess what you have is a well working file system, while mine has been corrupted ;)
I think that's being a little unfair to yourself.  If you observe the phenomenon you'll find you have accuracy in the high 90%'s.   I think you'd have problems getting around otherwise.
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Reply #4 on: January 25, 2015, 06:03:13 PM
I think that's being a little unfair to yourself.  If you observe the phenomenon you'll find you have accuracy in the high 90%'s.   I think you'd have problems getting around otherwise.

Now who says I don't?
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Reply #5 on: January 26, 2015, 05:13:18 AM
memory is an interesting thing.  memory does not equal comprehension. the people who win memory competitions are people of average intelligence who have trained their memory to perform extraordinary feats like memorizing the order of several decks of cards in a short period of time.  the most effective way to remember something is create several connections to it as well as add a visual component. 

a study was conducted where 1 group of people were asked to remember a man's name Baker, while the 2nd group of people were asked to remember a baker as in the profession.  when asked months later to remember the word they found much more people remembered the profession than the name and this has to do with how we process information.  a man's name Baker is a piece of information that is in isolation (to many people) while a baker has many more pieces of information that are associated and people are able to visualize it.  one of the most common methods that memory competitors use to remember huge amounts of information is they add a visual component to something they try to remember, the "method of loci" or "memory palace". 

another thing I have read or heard somewhere is making up a quick catch-phrase rhyme about Baker helps with memorizing Baker.  It is what TV or other ads use to get people to remember.
 

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Reply #6 on: January 27, 2015, 06:58:15 AM
Thanks cwjalex - Baker vs baker is interesting.  Is baker procedural and Baker declarative? With baker we visualize nonconsciously the procedure to get bread?   Is that what's going on in the black bag? In my mind I go to get bread and a picture of a baker nonconsciously appears?  Can something nonconsciously appear?  Too weird.
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