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Rach 2 second movement
on: March 09, 2015, 01:57:37 AM
The big climax in C sharp major where you have the 32nd note figure do you split it with two hands or do it with one hands?
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Re: Rach 2 second movement
Reply #1 on: March 09, 2015, 02:11:28 AM
You mean try and play it as octaves? Or am I in the wrong place?
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Re: Rach 2 second movement
Reply #2 on: March 09, 2015, 04:51:50 AM
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where you have the 32nd note figure

The only 32nd notes in the mvt aren't real 32nd notes and aren't in c sharp +. The c sharp climax before has 16th notes.

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split it with one hand
Split it with one hand? Too much to drink maybe?
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Re: Rach 2 second movement
Reply #3 on: March 09, 2015, 08:16:20 PM
My bad you know what I meant though.
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Re: Rach 2 second movement
Reply #4 on: March 10, 2015, 08:56:13 PM
I still don't. Can you post an image?

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Re: Rach 2 second movement
Reply #5 on: March 11, 2015, 04:00:47 PM
To answer the question, both spots your use two hands to play the octave unison passages regardless of their notation. Assuming those are the areas....
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Re: Rach 2 second movement
Reply #6 on: March 12, 2015, 04:08:26 PM
Rehearsal 23 treble clef.
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Re: Rach 2 second movement
Reply #7 on: March 12, 2015, 07:22:15 PM
You mean the notes right before the 1-beat? I play it with my right hand. Fingering 1-3-5-1-3-5-1-5.
And I think it can be play with the first e-sharp as the 1-beat togheter with bass. In that way it completes the melody line right before in the left hand.

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Re: Rach 2 second movement
Reply #8 on: March 12, 2015, 10:25:22 PM
Fingering 1-3-5-1-3-5-1-5.
 

I agree.

@ R_4 - I'm a little surprised you haven't encountered this particular thing before.
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Re: Rach 2 second movement
Reply #9 on: March 13, 2015, 02:43:22 AM
My edition (Schirmer) makes it really difficult to understand those as 32nd notes, so that explains my confusion.

Should be ok to play it with the right hand. Doesn't matter in some ways, frankly you have bigger issues to worry about in general with the concerto.
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Re: Rach 2 second movement
Reply #10 on: March 13, 2015, 04:34:55 AM
I agree.

@ R_4 - I'm a little surprised you haven't encountered this particular thing before.

It's not hard it's just that when I'm in performance mode I might miss the high c# and smack the wrong note so I was wondering if other people split it.
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Re: Rach 2 second movement
Reply #11 on: March 13, 2015, 04:36:13 AM
My edition (Schirmer) makes it really difficult to understand those as 32nd notes, so that explains my confusion.

Should be ok to play it with the right hand. Doesn't matter in some ways, frankly you have bigger issues to worry about in general with the concerto.

Haha that looks like a really thick 8th note beam.
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Re: Rach 2 second movement
Reply #12 on: March 13, 2015, 04:41:00 AM
If you split it, you've got your hands moving in opposite directions - RH up to that C# and LH down to the bass. Twice the risk, and less coordination. If you don't split it, you've only got that C# to think about, and you can even look to check.
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Re: Rach 2 second movement
Reply #13 on: March 13, 2015, 06:05:25 AM
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If you split it, you've got your hands moving in opposite directions - RH up to that C# and LH down to the bass. Twice the risk, and less coordination.

Splitting it isn't a terrible idea, but i have not played it. I'll continue to insist that there are bigger problems with the concerto in general.

When do you split it, the leaps are not of equal nature. The left hand moves much more of a distance, compared to the right hand. Not very much risk involved. I can see the split as being of interest on an intuitive level. If it helps you play it accurately, play it with your toes is my point of view. But you have bigger problems ahead of you.

OP, you have more experience with the context, do what gives you better accuracy. By my estimate, i'll get around to this concerto within 1 to 2 years, check back with me then, ok?
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Re: Rach 2 second movement
Reply #14 on: March 13, 2015, 08:10:58 AM
If you're unsecure about the top c-sharp note, then use 3,4&5th finger at once to hit that note.
That works pretty well!

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Re: Rach 2 second movement
Reply #15 on: March 13, 2015, 10:10:39 PM
If you're unsecure about the top c-sharp note, then use 3,4&5th finger at once to hit that note.
That works pretty well!

Then I'll hit a tone cluster of D# c# and c natural lol

It's cool though. 

I recorded it and it turns out you don't gotta whip it that fast.  So I'm still doing it with one hand but just playing ti slower.
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