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Offline pencilart3

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A few questions on Wilde Jagd pedaling
on: January 29, 2016, 01:41:50 AM
Wilde Jagd isn't nearly as hard as I thought it was. I just have 2 questions for pedaling. Should it be taken seriously in the very first part and in the middle section? I have attached my playing of it strictly with book pedaling, and with how I think it sounds best, for both parts.

File 1: The first part with book pedaling
File 2: The first part with my pedaling
File 3: The middle part with book pedaling
File 4: The middle part with my pedaling.

What do you think? Should it be played as written?
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Offline chopinlover01

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Re: A few questions on Wilde Jagd pedaling
Reply #1 on: January 29, 2016, 02:22:07 AM
Pedal markings, with a few notable exceptions (one bring the Beet. Sonata in my sig), are mostly just advice, especially if you're playing out of something like Alfred.
Whatever sounds best to your ear. I'm on mobile right now so I can't listen.

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Re: A few questions on Wilde Jagd pedaling
Reply #2 on: January 29, 2016, 10:32:33 AM
Pedal markings, with a few notable exceptions (one bring the Beet. Sonata in my sig), are mostly just advice, especially if you're playing out of something like Alfred.
Whatever sounds best to your ear.

I would say that as a general rule, you should study pedal markings quite carefully if they were made by the composer. Or course, quite often they are not as exact as other indications in the score, and need to be interpreted and sometimes "translated" to modern conditions. I think you are doing exactly right in seriously considering Liszts markings before making your own decision.

No pedal markings can be taken completely literally in the robotic sense - "press down here and lift here and everything will be excellent". In Wilde Jagd, I think you are right that 1) on the first page you need to change the pedal in a couple of places where it's not indicated  2) the middle section need to be pedalled although there are no markings.

However, in my opinion you should continue to explore the possibility of longer pedals at the beginning. I think your version risks coming out as a bit too dry. In the middle section, I would consider using less pedal, so as not to drown out the characteristic staccato rhythms in the left hand. Of course, this also requires you to use finger pedal, which you are not doing in your unpedalled version.
 

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Re: A few questions on Wilde Jagd pedaling
Reply #3 on: January 29, 2016, 02:45:45 PM
Hi thirty two, that makes a lot of sense! Thanks for the help! And also thank you for you input, Harrison :)
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Re: A few questions on Wilde Jagd pedaling
Reply #4 on: January 30, 2016, 03:37:49 AM
It also depends on the tempo in which you take the piece. You can sort of get away with more pedalling in Wild Jagd if you are playing the piece in a faster tempo (kissin/Berezovsky for example). Others that take it slow benefit with less pedal as it keeps clarity (Kholodenkos is a good example).

Just general advice judging from your recordings, try to make sure your 5th finger on the chords is voicing better as it is the melodic line. Also make sure to keep the rhythmic drive especially with those dotted quaver/semi quaver chords.

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Re: A few questions on Wilde Jagd pedaling
Reply #5 on: January 30, 2016, 05:12:59 AM
I love Kholodenko's recording! It's my favorite! And yes, thanks for the tips, I've just been playing it for a week, so it will improve enormously ;)
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Re: A few questions on Wilde Jagd pedaling
Reply #6 on: January 31, 2016, 12:48:44 AM
Whoa, you're Orpheus's descendant?  :o :o :o :o
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