From the Brexit thread posted by........ (need you ask)I hope that she also expresses due recognition of all of the categories of immigrant and commends people to do the same, for ease of understanding of the situation. Immigrants fall into the following groups:1. Refugees, many of whom are dispossessed, from war-torn and/or terrorism beseiged countries2. Economic migrants3. Migrants from other EU member states4. Migrants from non-EU countries who come to UK to take up work that they've already secured5. Migrants from non-EU countries who already have right of abode in UK6. Illegals.All very well, but it is not a lot of comfort to extant populations negatively affected by "migrants", how they are classified
It sounds, however, as though you may be guilty of falling into the trap of regarding all migrants negatively and in indiscriminate disregard of the reasons for their desire to come to UK (apart, perhaps, from those in 5.).
Not at all, some are more deserving than others, but perhaps if you were a resident in Boston for instance (or any other area which an Englishman might feel a stranger in his own Country), it don't really matter how immigrants are classified. The numbers alone are of sufficient concern.No need to worry though. You are OK.
I suspect that a good proportion of those who have chosen to regard themselves as strangers in their own country wold probably feel like strangers in any country.
The other issue with all of this is, of course, this sense of "my own country"; this is something about which you seem to feel very strongly in an exclusivist way whereas I hardly feel it at all - and not just because I live in England - it would be the same if I lived in Scotland. Neither is "my" country; I don't own it!
What utter cobblers. When I walk down the High Street
in a town in which I have lived all my life and do not hear one single person speaking English, I feel like a stranger.
No need for you to worry.
Seems I misread the title...This wasn't a copulation movement thread for Thal after all...
Well, we will always differ on this. I am proud to be English
I do not want it to turn into a 3rd world shithole by mass immigration
You seem to have no allegiance to any Country on which you dump your arse
Would you still feel like a foreigner in what you call your own country if all the immigrants were reasonably fluent in English?
Not as much, no. I do believe a certain proficiency should be required to come here for more than a visit or holiday.
Imagine lots of Sewdes, Danes and Dutch coming to UK with their English proficiency but with their different cultural backgrounds and traditions as well as all the international English usage stuff which the internet and its ever more prevalent use renders almost compulsory.
No problem with people from those Countries as there are far higher chances of intigration.Muslims are the problem.
Well, we will always differ on this. I am proud to be English and I love my Queen and my Country and I do not want it to turn into a 3rd world shithole by mass immigration..
Says PS's own King Canute!
There are Muslims in Sweden, Denmark and Netherlands, you know! Would you have a problem with them coming over? And why only Muslims and not Hindus, Buddhists, Zoroastrians, &c.?
Indeed, there are Muslims in Sweden and if memory serves, they are looking to deport a few thousand.And yes, I would have a problem with them coming over as they are the most intolerant of the major religions. I live in an area with a huge Sikh population and they are the most peace loving people I have ever encountered.
I think that instances of Muslim intolerance in Western countries is rather more a matter of degree than numbers; the most intolerant ones tend to be those who integrate least well and their intolerance is indeed rabid, but in most such countries these people tend to be in a minority.
The use of the word minority is pretty useless since it only takes a few to create carnage. Equally, the usual (majority are peace loving) is equally useless since it is the minority that causes the trouble.
The numbers are worrying to say the least and are on the increase thanks to the stupidity of the likes of Merkel. If we estimate that there are 50 million Muslims in the EU and are generous by suggesting that perhaps only 5% are radicalized, have Jihadi sympathies or severe anti western leanings, then we are still dealing with a considerable number that pose a threat.
The imbeciles running the EU need to get to grips with this before the far right movements are of sufficient numbers to start to win elections. Much more careful vetting needs to be immediately implemented and the boats coming across the Med need to be turned around instead of offering a ferry service.
Betcha don't get plantain where you live Thal? Or 3 varieties of sweet potato?
In any event, how do you determine whether a Muslim living within or outside EU is "radicalised, has Jihadi sympathies or has severe anti-Western leanings"?
Probably not, but I can offer you about 30 curry houses within 20 square miles.Thal
You can't, so the answer is to refuse entry to all Muslims.
You will be OK though. No terrorist attacks likely on the Welsh borders.
You don't quite get multiculturalism do you?
Just like that clown Trump once said he'd do if elected. How could you determine for sure that someone entering the country IS Muslim? Any Muslim with half a brain would try not to show obvous signs when coming into UK!
You could always ask them. Muslims don't normally deny their faith albeit it is permitted in exceptional circumstances. Muslim names are also distinctive from those of other religions. And if there is no passport or papers, then no entry anyway.I really do think that the Muslim World and the rest should live as seperately as possible and we should assist those who are unhappy in the UK to relocate. I think it is appalling that some areas of this Country are no go areas for non muslims.
I think it may have been Barak Obama who said over the summer: How would excluding muslems from the border even work? Do we reject people on the grounds of their faith? Only one other 'state' in the word does that - Daesh.
Indeed, some people do change their names. Even composers.
Probably not, but I can offer you about 30 curry houses
within 20 square miles.
That would make for a diverting thread all of its own. Immediately springing to mind in addition to Mendelssohn are Alkan, Warlock, Ivor Novello, Stokowski (I think he rewrote / rearranged a fair few orchestral pieces) and, indeed, Sorabji
I'm not in charge of accepting or rejecting anyone coming to UK.
One of the world's most heavily Muslim populated and Islamic oriented countries is Iran; has its administration - whose human rights record is nothing short of deplorable - been accused of regularly torturing, persecuting or ejecting its Zoroastrian or Christian population or refusing entry to non-Muslims?
That would make for a diverting thread all of its own. Immediately springing to mind in addition to Mendelssohn are Alkan, Warlock, Ivor Novello, Stokowski (I think he rewrote / rearranged a fair few orchestral pieces) and, indeed, Sorabji.
Praise be to Allah for that.
You would be letting every bugger in
Perhaps all the Syrian Muslims would be better off going there.
I was thinking of Eli Parish.
OK, I've said that I'm not in charge of this kind of thing; if you were, how would you have immigration officials vet all would-be entrants for suitability?
Praise be to Allah for that. You would be letting every bugger in.
Perhaps we need to write to the Mayor of Mecca (if they have one) and find out how they keep out all the Christians.
So, homophobic to boot!
Definitely not.It is my support for equality for homosexuals which leads me to be Islamophobic if anything.Thal