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Piano Board => Repertoire => Topic started by: ramseytheii on April 11, 2006, 09:17:01 PM
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The different versions of Liszt's Totentanz - can anybody give me a summary of the issues? What are the most played editions? Who publishes the so-called "original" version, and who would the editor be? How many versions are there anyways? Is it played on solo piano ever? What score do YOU recommend?
Walter Ramsey
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There the original version for piano and orchestra which Leslie Howard has recorded which has a different start (which I rather like), lacking in some orchestration and a section based on 'De Profundis' missing from the definitive. There's also 2 version of var.7 which he recorded.
There's a solo version of the definitive played by Arnaldo Cohen (Naxos) which is ok-ish. The piano and orchestra are integrated so closley that the solo piano version isn't really very thrilling - although incredibly difficult.
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I have a Vatican recording by Michelangeli which has differences from my score. I wasnt aware before that there were several versions (well I guess its a recurring thing with Liszt!)
I also have the piano solo version which has some slight changes (even melodic) and is harder than the piano version with orchestra. I have a Leslie Howard version of it. And a Pascal Amoyel version which is suppose is better but the CD does not work sadly. The italian virtuoso whose name escapes me (Godowsky specialist) has a DVD out with the piano solo version.
best,
Edward
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yep, libetta on dvd
cziffra is by far my fav rec
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If a piano competition or audition asks for Totentanz, are they typically asking for a particular version?
Walter Ramsey
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If a piano competition or audition asks for Totentanz, are they typically asking for a particular version?
Walter Ramsey
That would be the final version with piano and orchestra (the most common played one) - if it's lsiten under the concerto section (which it is rarely coz it's too short). The earlier version is not played (except by Howard for interest purposes)
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I have a live recording of the solo version played by John Ogdon that is jaw-dropping. He also played Alkan's Symphony (or Concerto--forgot which) for solo piano. At intermission, they had to retune the piano!
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I bought a score edited by Siloti. Is this one typically used? It has a number of suggestions for cuts; do people do those cuts?
Walter Ramsey
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In the Siloti (Kalmus) edition on page 34, rehearsal # 24, Piu mosso, what fingering do ppl use for this part? Is it some special technique? Does one perhaps take the 3rd sixteenth of each beat in octaves with one hand? I can't find a satisfactory method here.
Walter Ramsey
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I have a live recording of the solo version played by John Ogdon that is jaw-dropping. He also played Alkan's Symphony (or Concerto--forgot which) for solo piano. At intermission, they had to retune the piano!
Wow, you wouldnt by chance feel like a good caring person today and think about uploading this? I'd upload something for you...
Sam
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I have a live recording of the solo version played by John Ogdon that is jaw-dropping. He also played Alkan's Symphony (or Concerto--forgot which) for solo piano. At intermission, they had to retune the piano!
i, too, will also upload something if you post it. i want this badly.
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his alkan concerto is a bit sheet
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his alkan concerto is a bit sheet
true compared to da doc. but i still give him props for playing it. im eager to hear his totentanz though. ive only heard one other solo totentanz, and that was a libetta vid. twas good, but still, im a collector.
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Wow, you wouldnt by chance feel like a good caring person today and think about uploading this? I'd upload something for you...
Sam
It's on cassette, so I'd have to make CD copy, then upload that--I'll see what I can do! (My audio system and computer are in different rooms, and equipment is a huge pain to remove from the audio cabinet.)
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yeah well thats sortof insane, I wouldnt do it personally, but your not me :-X