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Title: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: stevie on June 03, 2006, 05:41:13 PM
haha, i randomly just tried some beer and lager

i dont drink alcohol, i dont like the feeling i get when i do, and it doesnt even taste good...mildly what?

haha, randomly
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: thalbergmad on June 03, 2006, 05:54:04 PM
You have obviously never tried Stella Artois.

I have just downed 3 large bottles with my dinner and i feel great.

hic

Thal
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: BoliverAllmon on June 03, 2006, 05:54:15 PM
I cannot stand the smell either.
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: henrah on June 03, 2006, 06:09:02 PM
I agree, beer and lager taste rank. It's one of the many reasons why I don't drink 'like a lad is supposed to.'

If anything, Malibu and Coke. It tastes nice :D
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: pianistimo on June 03, 2006, 06:17:50 PM
maybe it's what u eat it with.  beer and cheese goes well together, imo.  after my leg was broken, i told my husband to get a case of dark beer (forget what he got - but it was good).  the tylenol and advil was useless compared to that. 

sometimes putting beer in recipies is good too. bread.  onion soup.  things like that.

it's just that if you're home on the weekend and n ot DRIVING - i think it's good to have a bottle or glass of whatever you like - but i really would be irritated by people who drink and drive on purpose.  i mean, if you know you're going to drink - be close to ur bed so you can fall into it.

*guess how much a person can drink is dependent on body size and how u react to it.

 
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: allthumbs on June 03, 2006, 06:20:45 PM
My proclamation is... "Single Malts forever!" 8)


Cheers

allthumbs
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: thalbergmad on June 03, 2006, 06:26:07 PM

*guess how much a person can drink is dependent on body size.
 

That explains a lot
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: zheer on June 03, 2006, 06:33:09 PM
When i was in college i did like to drink a lot of beer with friends, i guess its a social thing, anyway some beer do taste bad.

      The alternative to beer, is a bottle of cheap wine, recently i drank a bottle of wine on my own ( :'( :'() walked round the house very drunk, went to bed, got up the next morning and had a really good day. Trust me getting drunk from time to time does have its benefits, so long as you dont kill your-self or someone else.
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: pianistimo on June 03, 2006, 07:25:14 PM
i've always bought cheap wine.  i think it's because i don't like to spend a lot of money on something that will be gone in seconds.  but, then, one time my husband's bro came and brought this thirty year old bottle of sauvingnon.  one taste of that, and i had to have more.  i think i drank half the bottle in little teacups, one at a time.  (my husband forgot we had it - and i happened upon it in the cupboard).  no, there's nothing REALLY wrong with me.  i just liked the taste.

the first taste was very trepidous - because i wasn't sure what happens to 30 year old wine.   

sometimes the taste is what causes u to drink.  and, other times, it is not the taste - but simply something to do.   

Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: pianistimo on June 03, 2006, 07:31:51 PM
i just re-read my message and realized i mean cheap wine for dinners.  i usually don't just go out and buy a bottle for myself and down it in seconds.  u know,  u get a bottle and pour it for everyone at the table.
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: prometheus on June 03, 2006, 07:32:29 PM
I drank a bottle of wine [...] the next morning and had a really good day.

Funny how you see a connection between the two. Pure superstition. You would probably have had an even better day if it wasn't for a whole bottle.



Yes, beer does not taste very well. People that drink beer usually do this because of peer pressure. At least in my country this is the case.
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: pianistimo on June 03, 2006, 07:40:40 PM
sleep patterns might be helped by a drink or two.  sometimes people have 'racing thoughts' or worries that are helped by a drink.  of course, advising this for helping sleep is tantamount to advising one to take sleeping pills every night.  but, it's really not the case.  sometimes one night's good sleep puts u back into a 'swing' of better sleep pattern.  i think his case is perfectly logical.
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: zheer on June 03, 2006, 07:58:41 PM
Funny how you see a connection between the two. Pure superstition. You would probably have had an even better day if it wasn't for a whole bottle.
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    i guess we are all different, anyway i have i guess a very strange theory or philosophy derived from a number of years of research (un -intentionaly) because of health problems and events that have changed my out-look on various things  . Anyway ironicly the connection between the two is rather simple and not superstition, its more like a calming effect.
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: Tash on June 04, 2006, 01:24:43 AM
i did a beer thing in NZ, cos kate wanted a beer buddy and the other 2 got migraines from alcahol. it was ok, can't drink huge amounts of it. i think i'm more of a chick drink girl- go cruisers!!but don't drink very much anyway, don't like being hungover the next day
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: henrah on June 04, 2006, 08:30:18 AM
Yeah I hate the hangover. The first time I got drunk, I wanted to go waterskiing the next day with my brother and all his friends, but I couldn't cos I had a splitting headache - and I wasn't even that drunk!

That's one of the reasons I stay away from 'going out to get pissed', and also I would hate to wake up and not remember what happened, and not knowing whether I had said something to someone that I would regret. That's what I don't like about alcohol. When I'm stoned, I do quite a lot of thinking before I say something, unless it's in a heated debate, where I can keep going and going without having to think of what I'm going to say. But most times, I consider carefully how what I say might affect someone.
Henrah
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: jas on June 04, 2006, 12:39:33 PM
haha, i randomly just tried some beer and lager

i dont drink alcohol, i dont like the feeling i get when i do, and it doesnt even taste good...mildly what?

haha, randomly
No, no, no. You need to get the context right. You need:
1) a sunny day
2) a nice beer garden
3) a couple of mates
4) a nice cold pint
That is the one true way in beer/lager drinking. :)

I don't recommend sticking with it, though. I get monster hangovers if I drink too much of it.

Jas
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Post by: lisztisforkids on June 04, 2006, 03:56:54 PM
Strangely, the drunk I get off of Beer is extrmely more beligerent than hard alcohol.
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: soliloquy on June 04, 2006, 05:55:22 PM
I don't like beer either, randomly.  I like Gin, Vermouth, Sambuca, Ouzo, Pernod, Galliano and white wine.

sh*t = Whisky, Brandy, red wine, Beer, Campari, Dubonnet, Rum, Sherry, Tequila and most Vodka.


Martini <3
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: henrah on June 04, 2006, 06:18:28 PM
I like whisky with a bit of coke mixed in, just to take off the edge. Otherwise it's way too bitter.

Every sip I took of this whisky and coke (7:1 ratio) I felt brain cells dying all over my brain.
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: shoenberg3 on June 04, 2006, 07:41:39 PM
Never liked beer too much unless the weather was hot and the beer was chilled.

Much prefer hard liquor over anything. Or white wine to go with the food.
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: rob47 on June 04, 2006, 08:02:32 PM
I have never touched a drop in my life
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: zheer on June 04, 2006, 08:16:08 PM
I have never touched a drop in my life

   Why do i doubt that very much.
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: henrah on June 04, 2006, 08:18:03 PM
I have never touched a drop in my life

Drop of beer, or drop of alcohol? And touched meaning touching the mouth/lips area, or any part of your body? Surely you must have been spilled upon at some point....
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: stevie on June 04, 2006, 09:13:07 PM
No, no, no. You need to get the context right. You need:
1) a sunny day
2) a nice beer garden
3) a couple of mates
4) a nice cold pint
That is the one true way in beer/lager drinking. :)

I don't recommend sticking with it, though. I get monster hangovers if I drink too much of it.

Jas

hahaha no, i had a cold sample of a few brands, is just tastes BAD, and i dont like the effect of alcohol

i like some alcoholic drinks, but not for the alcohol factor, just because they taste nice,
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: henrah on June 04, 2006, 10:02:45 PM
i like some alcoholic drinks, but not for the alcohol factor, just because they taste nice,

Same here buddy
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: bananafish on June 05, 2006, 12:09:51 AM
a friend of mine, she's this super cute, shy, smiles-all-the-time-at-absolutely-everything, goody-two-shoe girl. The first time she went to my house, we had beers in the fridge for some reason (seriously, it was weird. I lived with 5 other college girls at a rented house, there would just be alcoholic drinks mysteriously appearing in the fridge. It seemed like most of the friends who came to our house would bring alcohol, they put it in our fridge, and when they left, they would just leave it.) So, get back to that cute girl. She came and absolutely downed two, three beers in an hour's time. She said beer's an acquired taste. Anyway, it was just one of those weird thing that stuck in my head... like in the forehead, or something.
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: musik_man on June 05, 2006, 02:10:19 AM
Yes, beer does not taste very well. People that drink beer usually do this because of peer pressure. At least in my country this is the case.

It's an aquired taste.  There's not much peer pressure involved, which can be attested to by the fact that people don't always drink it with friends.
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: buebo on June 05, 2006, 07:08:24 PM
Funny to see such cultural differences. There seems to be less drinking in the UK/USA then other european countries I think (which is good). Also it's always really funny to see movies with young kids driving BIGGG cars to liqour stores, only to come home with nothing.
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Post by: prometheus on June 05, 2006, 07:14:13 PM
Yes, I think so.


Some teenagers here drink 10 to 15 bottles of beer in the weekends.



Since I don't drink alcohol, I have had several people at parties tell me, while they were drunk and I was absolutely sober, that they had respect for me and that they would rather not drink or not drink that much. I was quite suprised at this, actually. I have never understood peer pressure at all. It took me a long time to find out that it actually exists. But apperently it is quite strong.
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: 6ft 4 on June 05, 2006, 08:31:02 PM
it isnt just the peer pressure u realise its the fact it makes u uber happy and releases a sh*t load of social inhibitions
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: prometheus on June 05, 2006, 08:49:19 PM
Alcohol does not make you happy.

Sure, it does remove 'social inhibitions' which has very often resulted in people telling me they were rather not drunk.


I guess it is really hard to figure out if people actually want to remove some restraints or not.
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: pianistimo on June 06, 2006, 01:51:19 AM
maybe the moral is, don't drink because other people are.  i don't think people care one way or another at a dinner or cocktail if u are drinking a soda or drinking a drink.  if u sincerely feel u are wanting or desire a drink - then go for it - but designate a driver who's not.  prometheus is smart to be one in the crowd that isn't drinking when everyone else is.  somepeople think they are sort of immune to drinking -but what they don't notice is the small intricacies of thier motor skills that are affected (and speed always tends to increase) while driving. 

guess i'm kinda obsessive about things - but i always tell my son 'u don't want to be responsible for hurting or killing someone else accidentally.  if u want a drink when ur older - buy a case (i don't care) and drink it here and go upstairs to bed.'  so far, he's very moderate in his desires to drink (he doesn't really like beer that much - or any other drink).    we've always let him taste whatever we were drinking and didn't really restrict him - so it's not like it's this really exciting thing that he never could do.  i hope it's not illegal to let ur kids drink out of ur glasses when they're small.  even our four year old takes a sip once in awhile - but usually says 'yuk' and doesn't like it. 
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: 00range on June 06, 2006, 04:58:20 AM
You have obviously never tried Stella Artois.

I have just downed 3 large bottles with my dinner and i feel great.

hic

Thal

Someone give this guy a beer afficianado badge.
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: henrah on June 06, 2006, 09:43:31 AM
we've always let him taste whatever we were drinking and didn't really restrict him - so it's not like it's this really exciting thing that he never could do. i hope it's not illegal to let ur kids drink out of ur glasses when they're small. even our four year old takes a sip once in awhile - but usually says 'yuk' and doesn't like it.

I wholeheartedly agree with what you are doing pianistimo. It's better to allow them to make their own minds up than allow the desire to have something forbidden grow. And also to give them a taste of it when they have an especially sweet tooth.
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: 6ft 4 on June 06, 2006, 11:21:37 AM
Alcohol does not make you happy.

Sure, it does remove 'social inhibitions' which has very often resulted in people telling me they were rather not drunk.


I guess it is really hard to figure out if people actually want to remove some restraints or not.

ok i rephrase: alcohol makes it easier for one to get happy i.e. music seems so much better and more enjoyable, jokes are generally more funny etc etc

I have often wondered if people, especially girls, drink excessive amounts of alcohol so as an excuse to do things which are deemed bad by society
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: pianistimo on June 06, 2006, 01:20:59 PM
i think some people use it as a coping mechanism for unhappiness in their lives.  whether it's girls or guys - the idea of losing all inhibitions is better served by a special moment with a special person than a complete idiotic moment with a complete stranger (or seemingly).  get happy at ur wedding.  then, u know who's the father (or th mother).  i watch with sadness at judge judy or joe brown - where they do a paternity test and 50% chance that the baby doesn't have the family genes.  not to put this down - because i think younger people don't marry the right person the first time sometimes (BUT, if ur drunk how can u make a decision?)  i say - lose inhibitions with someone u trust like ur mate.

it's easy to say all this in hindsight.  i remember being a teenager.  alcohol made me laugh and joke around - but for girls (if u are in a car) the worst thing is having to use the bathroom and none in sight.  it's too embarrassing for girls and very crude to be too happy or drunk.  girls, don't attempt to impress guys by drinking (and visa-versa)   if they are impressed by u let it be urself.  thankfully, my parents were a good example.  i think if u have a good example from anyone (beit parents, friends, friends parents) just take it and use it.  after a couple of times - a bottle of champagne once and rum and coke at a girlfriends house - i thought - this is really dumb.  it never really appealed to me to be happy or drink more than i could tolerate.  people who use this as a ploy on others should reconsider why they are doing that.  and, if ur young and smart, u'll just say 'no.'

fitting in isn't very important as u get older.  it's easy to tell all this to my kids, but my daughter is at that stage where fitting in with the girlfriends is very important.  i think i'll have to explain the 'group' mentality to her sometime.  of course, she rolls her eyes and says 'i already k now that. don't talk to me right now.  or, save the speeches.'  yikes.  i'm  always telling her 'stay in agroup.  always have a friend with u.  keep the cell phone and tell me when u switch from one place to another - say if they are going to the mall from someone's house.'  she told me last time that the parents were going with them.  first i readily believed that - but now i'm wondering if i was succored.  i don't think i'll play the spy and wander around behind her all the time.  but i will pester her on the cell phone if she doesn't tell me when she is in a different place.  i don't like those friday night dances either - but that's another thread, time and place.  she's only in 6th grade - but they have seventh and eighth graders there (woah, really bad some might think -  well, it's not that the kids are so bad - but they need supervision and on friday night i'm too tired to be supervising - so i'm kinda wishing she just wouldn't go.  thankfully, last time her dad just stayed out int he parking lot the entire time).  it's an off school location (near firehouse). 
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Post by: lisztisforkids on June 07, 2006, 02:43:42 AM
Randomly drank several 40s the othernight at a party and got lost and got robbed by a bunch of scary people, and ended going to the wrong house and drinking with some random kids I dident know. Then finally found the house I was at, and rode my bike home which was an adventure in itself.
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Post by: lisztisforkids on June 07, 2006, 02:51:56 AM
Was also randomly one time on top of a hill overlooking my city at night drinkning and looking at the city lights. A police oficer shows up unexpectantly and asks what were doing (lukily the bottle was in my pocket when the cop came up). My friend replied in a slightly drunken slur "Were watching the Chrismas lights". "Excuse me?", "Uhh... I meant were just looking at all the town lights" I jut in. "ohh, well okay, the parking lot up here closes at 10:00 so you guys need to leave". "Yes sir".
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: rc on June 07, 2006, 03:23:20 AM
Since I don't drink alcohol

AHHH! I was just waiting for this to pop up! You previous responses struck me as the ideas of someone who really has no personal experience. :D

I can say from personal experience that drunken partying DOES loosen me up, and I do feel great the next day, which I attribute to the release of pent-up 'party energy' as I like to call it... That not all beer is the same, and the good stuff is delicious and will grow on you (wine too!), and the bad stuff has no redeeming qualities except to get drunk (so hard to gag down).

I can also attest to the well known dark side of alcohol, how often it develops into a social crutch, before long friends are getting together to drink in order to have fun because they've forgotten how to do it sober, that's the line where it becomes pathetic... + the dangers of driving or doing stupid things when the judgement disappears. Sometimes alcohol will tear down the inhibitions that keep a persons anger/hatred/depression under the surface.
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: prometheus on June 07, 2006, 02:07:25 PM
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AHHH! I was just waiting for this to pop up! You previous responses struck me as the ideas of someone who really has no personal experience. Cheesy

I can say from personal experience that drunken partying DOES loosen me up, and I do feel great the next day, which I attribute to the release of pent-up 'party energy' as I like to call it...

I know what alcohol does with people. So I don't understand how you disagree with me. Furthermore because this is your first post on this topic.

I have plenty of experiences, many different experiences, with alcohol. It's just that in all those cases it isn't me consuming alcohol but someone else.
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Post by: gyzzzmo on June 07, 2006, 03:55:33 PM


*guess how much a person can drink is dependent on body size and how u react to it.

 
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body size doesnt matter. Its all about metabolism.
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Post by: pianistimo on June 07, 2006, 04:16:49 PM
ok.  let's test this.  i'll try my experiments on a couple of mice (one very large and one very small).  u can try urs on someone who says 'i have a very fast metabolism' and another who says 'i have a very slow metabolism.'  also, we have to have some constants (like how fast they drink the beer - how much 'head' is on the beer that they have to get thru to actually drink it - and what types of beer we are using).
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Post by: gruffalo on June 07, 2006, 05:31:16 PM


*guess how much a person can drink is dependent on body size and how u react to it.

 

i dont know what the facts on this are, but (not in a childish bragging way), but my skinny ass takes a lot of alcohol. on the otherhand, i am extremely sensitive to caffeine.
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: letters on June 07, 2006, 06:09:00 PM
i think beer is horrible, HOWEVER i have been known to drink quite a lot of tesco value larger after drinking a lot of other things beforehand. I also think that cider smells like sick, except the really sweet stuff, which i will happily drink. i love white wine but not red because its too wiffy and goes up yer nose.
i like "girlie" drinks as well, stuff like reef and bacardi "ah yeah mate" breezers and the like. vodka and orange is my favourite, just tastes like sharp orange juice. the smell of things like gin and whiskey make me want to throw up.
i hate the way people assume guys like beer, my boyfriend hates it yet people go "oh weve got some beer in the fridge if u want that".
anyway, this is all obviously a lie as i have never been drunk/ semi unconscious as i am a young girl of 17.
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: gruffalo on June 07, 2006, 06:24:33 PM
HOWEVER i have been known to drink quite a lot of tesco value larger after drinking a lot of other things beforehand.

no wonder you dont like beer.
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: thalbergmad on June 07, 2006, 07:49:38 PM
anyway, this is all obviously a lie as i have never been drunk/ semi unconscious as i am a young girl of 17.

Pull the other one, it's got bells on.
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: pantonality on June 07, 2006, 07:56:09 PM
I was a home brewer for 10 years and made some incredibly tasty brews. Most American beers are a delicate balance of not much. We had a joke that sex in a canoe and Budweiser had in common that both were "effing" close to water. Americans beers were significantly more diverse prior to Prohibition and European brands are still. Since WW II American brewers have focused on making a drinkable product for the masses. As Stevie discovered not everyone likes the taste of beer so an "everyman" product is the result of a succession of compromises. Simply put, Bud, Miller and Coors are Megabrew swill. So if Stevie was reacting to the taste of one of these common American beers I would heartily agree.

I don't brew anymore as I enjoyed it too much. My current consumption of malt beverages averages about a 6 pack per month. But I still love a finely crafted brew. There are just a few national brands that I'd consider a craft brew, Samuel Adams and Pete's Wicked are the two that come to mind. There are lots of regional craft brewers, so what's good depends on where you are. However bear in mind that if your idea of beer is based on the megabrew swill these beers may overwhelm you with flavor. They can be VERY different depending on how they were brewed.

Given that I'm essentially a nondrinker I won't encourage anyone to drink, especially the underage. I will say that of craft brews the easiest style for the uninitiated tends to be brown ales. The style is has a smooth maltiness with just a touch of hop bite and aroma. Pete's Wicked Ale is a brown ale, but like most home brewers (Pete was originally a homebrewer) has more hoppiness than is typical for the style. Many homebrewers seem to think that if a little is good, more will be better. The pricey, but tasty, British import Samuel Smith's Nut Brown Ale is the quintessential brown ale. Beyond that there's a world of Alts, Pilsners, Bocks, Dortmunders, Pale Ales, Stouts, Trappist Ales, Dubbels, Tripels, Lambics and much more to explore. If you just want a buzz, there's always Vodka.

Steve
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Post by: thalbergmad on June 07, 2006, 08:37:11 PM
ok.  let's test this.  i'll try my experiments on a couple of mice

Lucky you are not in England.

Over here, you can stab someone to death and nobody bats an eyelid.

Experiment on animals and it will be front page news and people will dig up your ancestors.

Thal
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Post by: zheer on June 07, 2006, 08:47:23 PM
Lucky you are not in England.

Over here, you can stab someone to death and nobody bats an eyelid.

Experiment on animals and it will be front page news and people will dig up your ancestors.

Thal

    The sad thing is that their is an element of truth in that.
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: prometheus on June 07, 2006, 08:50:10 PM
Lucky you are not in England.

Over here, you can stab someone to death and nobody bats an eyelid.

Experiment on animals and it will be front page news and people will dig up your ancestors.

Thal

Haha, good yoke...
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: rc on June 07, 2006, 10:18:33 PM
I know what alcohol does with people. So I don't understand how you disagree with me. Furthermore because this is your first post on this topic.

I have plenty of experiences, many different experiences, with alcohol. It's just that in all those cases it isn't me consuming alcohol but someone else.

Am I supposed to have a lot of posts on the topic?

Anyways, I was referring mostly to this response in having a good morning after:

Funny how you see a connection between the two. Pure superstition. You would probably have had an even better day if it wasn't for a whole bottle.

Basically, this isn't based on knowledge, just speculation. You can learn a lot from watching people drink, but don't confuse it with the experience of being the person drinking.
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: prometheus on June 07, 2006, 10:54:55 PM
Am I supposed to have a lot of posts on the topic?

No, I just wasn't sure what you were trying to say.

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Anyways, I was referring mostly to this response in having a good morning after:

Basically, this isn't based on knowledge, just speculation. You can learn a lot from watching people drink, but don't confuse it with the experience of being the person drinking.

It is not that I have never drunk any alcohol. But I have never been drunk or anywhere close. I don't remember the last time I had alcohol.

The think with alcohol is that it has several stages and that the reaction of people on these stages are very different. There are many people that fall in sleep before they get really drunk. So they can't. Some people get happy and lighthearted. Others get    mischievous or malicious. Some get anrgy or aggressive.

Often the same person will fall in different groups on different events.

Af for having a good morning. First of, being really drunk does not prevent one from feeling good. Also, you can have a good morning while feeling not so good.

There are tons of things that can make you feel good or bad. It will be very hard to explain why one feels good or bad.

But it is clear that generally one can get a hangover from a lot of alcohol. So Zheer will probably have felt better without the alcohol. Surely he did not feel great because of the alcohol.

Yes, Zheers comment was pure speculation. Actually it is superstition, seeing a link between two things that are probably unrelated. People do this all the time without realising it.
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: lisztisforkids on June 07, 2006, 11:17:41 PM
The think with alcohol is that it has several stages and that the reaction of people on these stages are very different. There are many people that fall in sleep before they get really drunk. So they can't. Some people get happy and lighthearted. Others get    mischievous or malicious. Some get anrgy or aggressive.

Often the same person will fall in different groups on different events.



  Ummm... Were did you learn this?  :-\ Its well, not really true.


  Beer, Beer, the magical drink,
  The more you drink,
  The less you think,
  The less you think,
  The better you feel,
  Lets have Beer with every meal!
 
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: lisztisforkids on June 07, 2006, 11:27:11 PM
Prometheus you should stop trying to talk like you have some authority on the subjejt. Because you have nooooone.
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: stevie on June 08, 2006, 12:18:41 AM
randomly, i also have to mention my feelings about alcohol may be influenced by the fact a number of youths, 18-19, have died recently in 2 car accidents...caused by drink driving.
its not that nice killing yourself and a few friends into the bargain....and thats just in my small town.
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: prometheus on June 08, 2006, 12:20:15 AM
You don't even tell me what you don't agree with. Let alone why.
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: pantonality on June 08, 2006, 02:18:41 PM
Alcohol is simple it reduces critical thinking and judgment. It removes inhibitions. Simply put, it's a depressant. That's why many people feel they need alcohol to go meet the opposite sex. It's false courage. Because it removes inhibitions those who may have buried anger will be prone to release it.

Now we get Prometheus who has apparently seen people drunk, but has never experienced it (being drunk). Well seeing drunks can be enough to put anyone off drinking, especially if the drunk is in your own family. I personally think that not drinking is a good thing. Why start a bad habit if you're not inclined. It's the same as smoking (cigarettes or whatever). Don't start if you can possibly avoid it.

However, one bit of advice to Prometheus, just speak of your own experience (that includes your experience of friends and family who do drink). It's not necessary to come to any conclusions or make any speculations, by relating just your experience you maintain your credibility.

Cheers!

Steve
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: prometheus on June 08, 2006, 02:31:05 PM
Do you think that I just base the things I say on speculating on other people's experiences?

I think that some people are a little confused here. The things here aren't so simple. I was just adding nuance. For one, there is a different between being drunk and being slightly intoxicated. Alcohol can have different influences on different people, different doses and different individual cases.

Sure, there are some general universal effects like removing restraints, recuced reaction speed, judgement and other mental facualties. But the emotional ones aren't general and universal at all, like I explained. Of course the differential becomes smaller the more drunk a person is. But in the early stages people can react very different. Also, people will have off days. People will have a rare vomit incident for no particular reason after drinking their regular amount, for example. Of course how tired you are and what you have eaten and how much play a role in this. Metabolism plays a role, a process doesn't stay the same every day as well.

I do agree that people seem to need alcohol to meet people of the opposite sex with a particular interest.

Just talk with an expert or read some research as well.
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: 6ft 4 on June 10, 2006, 01:40:59 AM
ur missing out man alcohol is fun

people dont "need" alcohol to meet girls it just makes them less nervous and more fun

the idea of men getting delibrately drunk just so they can get the confidence to meet randoms is definately an exaggerated urban and media driven myth; the sort of myth that teetotallers love to agree with to make themselves feel better even though they secretly would never get the confidence to go up to an attractive girl with that particular interest
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: pianistimo on June 10, 2006, 01:46:37 AM
i think it's the ages of girls u want to meet.  if i was single, the last place i'd go to meet a man would be a bar.  they are disgusting and filled with people who don't know what they are looking for.  frankly, i think most 'singles' questionnaires and hook-up sites on the internet are just as brain dead. 

the place to go is a uni class, a dance class, a cooking class, whatever things are real interests.  i plan NOT to go tommorrow to the bike trail because 200 + good looking cyclists are planning to race around and the impact would just be too great.  more than alcohol for me.  passion is what it's about.  not alcohol.  and, being physically in shape is much more appealing than brain dead.  and, above being phuysically in shape - is how they treat women.

well, on second thought - i might just go for a little while.  it's against my better judgement.  i haven't told my hubby there's a race tommorrow - so when we go together - i'll look all surprised.  oh, my, look at that one.  (then, he'll have to take back those google eyes at those two girls that walked by when we stopped at dairy queen.  u know - the 17 year olds with the firm mid-waist and cut off's).  i thought i saw lance armstrong two week ago. 
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: Jacey1973 on June 10, 2006, 07:48:17 PM
i think it's the ages of girls u want to meet.  if i was single, the last place i'd go to meet a man would be a bar.  they are disgusting and filled with people who don't know what they are looking for.  frankly, i think most 'singles' questionnaires and hook-up sites on the internet are just as brain dead. 

the place to go is a uni class, a dance class, a cooking class, whatever things are real interests.  i plan NOT to go tommorrow to the bike trail because 200 + good looking cyclists are planning to race around and the impact would just be too great.  more than alcohol for me.  passion is what it's about.  not alcohol.  and, being physically in shape is much more appealing than brain dead.  and, above being phuysically in shape - is how they treat women.
 

I completely agree with you about meeting guys in bars. How can you possibly meet anyone decent? In my experience the chances are very slim!

My friends get quite drunk go to pubs/clubs etc and meet complete losers then say to me "oh why can't i meet a decent guy?" i tell them they're looking in the wrong place, but it doesn't seem to deter them.

I think i've grown out of getting drunk, i can't stand it anymore. I have 3 day hangovers these days too if i drink too much - so i think drink doesn't agree with me. I find i can't get anything done with a hangover - especially piano practise as i have no co-ordination or stamina, i feel my creativity has been temperarily numbed, it's a horrible feeling.

I don't think drink/drugs are necessary. I have much more more natural confidence than i used to, so i don't need alcohol. The rush of adrenaline i get from performing or hearing a fantastic live performance is a million times better than getting drunk, and drunk people are so boring to be around!
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: thalbergmad on June 10, 2006, 08:19:17 PM
if i was single 

I can only dream
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: jas on June 11, 2006, 10:53:51 AM
Alcohol is simple it reduces critical thinking and judgment. It removes inhibitions. Simply put, it's a depressant. That's why many people feel they need alcohol to go meet the opposite sex. It's false courage. Because it removes inhibitions those who may have buried anger will be prone to release it.

...

I personally think that not drinking is a good thing. Why start a bad habit if you're not inclined. It's the same as smoking (cigarettes or whatever). Don't start if you can possibly avoid it.

You and a number of others here seem to have this idea that people who drink only do so because they haven't enough confidence not to, or because they like being out of control. That's complete rubbish. Some people drink for these reasons, and that's a drink problem, or can lead to a drink problem. Those who drink socially and may or may not get drunk do it because it's fun to have a few drinks with your mates. There are no hidden motives and no hidden problems; getting drunk is often just a by-product of it, intentional or not. Hangovers aren't fun, but we've all been there. I have never in my life gone out to get drunk just because I want to do something I don't have the confidence to do sober. I don't know anyone else who has, either.

I'm kind of surprised at how sheltered some people on this forum are. Alcohol isn't an evil, out to ruin everyone's lives. Alcohol-related deaths aren't uncommon, but the problem is surely more with the person involved than with alcohol in general.

Jas
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: stevie on June 13, 2006, 06:27:50 AM
well, another thing i dislike is the fact that alcohol is basically a drug, and that it is considered as seperate from other substance abuses.

im sure many people are familiar with the idea that less intelligent people have more fun and lead 'happier' lives, largely because they are easier to please...
substance abuse, including alcohol, essentially dumbs you down and suddenly things are alot funnier.

for some reason i dont like that idea, and the times ive drank, whilst i enjoyed it mildly being intoxicated, i just felt a bit stupid afterwards, and all in all the negatives outweighed the positives, i dont see the need for artificial fulfillment in my life, im alot more happy having a jolly good wank, and if thats against the law...then handcuff me to the bedpost and give me a daringly delightful spanking.
Title: Re: beer ....tastes.....bad?
Post by: henrah on June 13, 2006, 10:13:08 AM
You know what is a great drug?

ShroomS!!!

Definately my favourite of all, even cannabis. But just because it's A-class, it doesn't mean I take other A-class drugs. I will only ever smoke/eat natural drugs, not those that have been mad-made (to the point of being manufactured by man - obviously nearlly all the ganje I get has been cared for and grown by a person). I.e. Ecstasy, MDMA, Heroin, Coke, Speed, Acid, Ketamine, Crystal Meth. All of those are just horrid drugs, especially Ecstasy cos you never know what's in it. It's much like the Hash around here; but I quite like a bit of hash now and again to have a change from ganje.


The annoying thing is that everyone I know who doesn't smoke the plant thinks of me as just a dirty druggie, where I could say exactly the same to their overdrinking. In fact, I think that drinkers are far more likely to overdose on alcohol (becoming paraletic, vomiting, passing out) than cannabis smokers/mushroom eaters. All excluding the chavs/townies/neds that take anything just to get high. I most certainly don't smoke cannabis/eat mushrooms just to get high. I do it because I like the feeling (cannabis), I like the colourful visuals and philosophical discussions (mushrooms) and most of all it makes me think.


Hehehe, [/heateddiscussion]
Henrah 8)