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Title: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: ingagroznaya on September 02, 2006, 07:30:41 AM
All right. Sometimes I do too have my own "glitches".
I took a new student. I do not mind when a parent waits while my student takes his lesson, but this is slightly out of norm - the father, mother AND grandfather ... ALL family accompany this 9 years old to his lesson and assume I can accommodate them all in my small place. I do in fact feel so very much respect for elderly , I feel it would be nasty to say " You, grandfather, you can't come", but at the same time three adults accompany one student is not something I am willing to deal with. The party is too big. The place is also happened to be my house.

How should I handle it without offending anyone?
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: ihatepop on September 02, 2006, 10:20:53 AM
Wierd..... ???

You could try making a very polite excuse to 'hint' them to leave. However, if it does not go well, don't blame me, k? 8)

ihatepop
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: hyrst on September 02, 2006, 11:22:35 AM
Hi.  I've found for everyone of my students that parents have stopped coming once the child settles in - they really find it boring.  Do the family interfere or want to talk during the lesson?  Has the child been coming for long?  It is a bit unusual for such a company to come in with a 9 year old, though.  But, don't be afraid.  Parents respect teachers who clearly say what they need in order to be able to teach better or to manage their business.  If the situation is likely to conitnue, tell them straight what you want from them - but don't be particualr about who should be the one to go.  Just say you cannot accomodate more than one person with the child - let them choose who that should be.  If you do lose a student by being upfront, which is unlikely, you are going to come across more stresssful sitautions with this family later on.  You're better off to deal with it sooner and have a vacancy for a more suitable student.

Good luck
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: luvslive on September 02, 2006, 05:57:11 PM
interesting.  maybe this was a one time thing, like they had to take grandpa to a doctor appointment and right away had to come to lesson.  maybe grandpa lives with the family and needs supervision?  who knows.  i agree with hyrst that they may become bored and not all come on in.  they may have been intrigued by the first piano lesson.  i hope for your sake that they don't interfere and something can be worked out.
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: debussy symbolism on September 02, 2006, 11:40:20 PM
Greetins.

The parents just want the be sure that you don't abuse the child or possibly do him harm. After a number of lessons the siblings will stop sitting in with the child.
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: ingagroznaya on September 03, 2006, 05:32:24 AM
I feel one parent is enough to observe and protect. Living alone and teaching in another room, I don't feel very comfortable with three stranger in the house where I can't see them.
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: cora on September 03, 2006, 06:41:16 AM
The best way to deal with this is bring your mother and father and sister to their lesson so that you end up playing sardines with their family!

Or you could just tell the mother on the phone that you prefer to teach private lessons.

Communication with them is necessary.
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: ingagroznaya on September 03, 2006, 08:30:12 AM
The best way to deal with this is bring your mother and father and sister to their lesson so that you end up playing sardines with their family!


I love it! Ha ha ha haha.
But I don't have ... any.

Thank you, Cora and everyone.
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: debussy symbolism on September 03, 2006, 05:11:55 PM
What's "sardines". I know what a sardine is, but this new notion is new to me. I think that bringing over more family members isn't going to solve the problem, but aggravate it. They will all enjoy being together and will definately not leave.
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: chocolatedog on September 03, 2006, 06:25:28 PM
What's "sardines". I know what a sardine is, but this new notion is new to me. I think that bringing over more family members isn't going to solve the problem, but aggravate it. They will all enjoy being together and will definately not leave.

Ever seen sardines in a tin? Then you'll get the idea! The saying is usually something about being like "sardines in a tin" ie really cram-packed with no space to move........  :D
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: debussy symbolism on September 03, 2006, 06:30:44 PM
Oh, thank. :)
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: lostinidlewonder on September 04, 2006, 01:33:53 AM
I usually let a parent know if I don't want them in the room with me when I am teaching by saying, Your son/daughter is distracted with family in the room with her, I can keep teaching her with this distraction but she will learn more if it is just one on one.

In fact I do have students who's parents sit in on the lesson every time. They want to learn how to play piano as well (because perhaps they had no chance when they where younger and are excited the dream comes true for their children), but they do not ask questions or say a word through the entire lesson, only their children can do that because afterall the lesson is for them. The parents simply sit, observe and write notes down, this is fine. Usually they get the idea I don't want them to distrub the lesson when I do not answer their questions and carrying on with the lesson with their kids. I'll usually put my hand up with a smile, sorta saying wait a minute, I can't talk to two people at once, while I keep giving the lesson to their children. At the end of the lesson I might answer their questions if I have time, otherwise I (if I have no time or the question takes too long to answer) I will let them know that I must get to my next lesson.

You must realise that because you are the teacher conducting the lesson you are in control as to what happens around it, especially the environment you conduct the lesson in. So if you are uncomfortable having people sitting in your home rearrange your home so you will be comfortable! How? That is up to you, put things away, put things out, do whatever that makes you more comfortable having people in there. If there is a psychological social anxiety that troubles you then you shouldn't be teaching from home in the first place. The size of the room has nothing to do with it, unless it is so small that you are indeed like tinned sardines and you can feel them breathing down your neck while you teach!

BTW, don't discuss any changes to your lessons/teaching over the phone, these things must be done in person. I personally feel it is extremely rude to tell people this or that over the phone, you are running a business and should say things which directly relate to your business with your clients face to face. I have lost my temper with students who I have taught for several years who phone me up to say that they quit. I tell them it would be ok if we did lessons over the phone and you lived hours and hours away, but doing it over the phone it is like you are too afraid to stand up and say what you think. It is just immature imo.



Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: ingagroznaya on September 04, 2006, 08:18:48 AM
Thank you for your wonderful post, lostinwonder.
The thing is, I don't have social issues or psychological anxiety about one adult accompanying a child to a lesson or even waits as I teach. Three people are a group, which I can not accommodate. Period. I don't want that much more dirt from shoes in my house. Three adults are unnecessary number. I have already told them that 3 is too much.

The thing is, I temporarily removed few pieces of furniture from my living room. There are still chairs to sit on and I also offered them to wait on a patio. I showed precisely where they can sit down. The company started to wonder as tourists on excursion. I don't have a big place, but I can not keep up with all 3. My patio is huge and it leads to the bedroom.Grandpa went straight for the bedroom...  It is that sort of wondering around I did not appreciate. How do you say politely " Stay here and don't move"?
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: pianistimo on September 04, 2006, 09:24:13 AM
maybe put a sign up - 'do not enter.'  i've seen this before at other studios.  or 'off limits.'  grandpa was probably looking for the bathroom.  i loved my piano teachers bathroom.  a couple of pics of various hollywood leading men.  i stayed in it a little longer than i should have looking at humphrey bogart (or was that my fav restaurant bathroom?) anyway - between his bathroom and that restaurant (with kohl faucets i might add) i was looking at the pictures and feeling the faucets. 

Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: lostinidlewonder on September 04, 2006, 10:59:47 AM
.....The company started to wonder as tourists on excursion. I don't have a big place, but I can not keep up with all 3. My patio is huge and it leads to the bedroom.Grandpa went straight for the bedroom...  It is that sort of wondering around I did not appreciate. How do you say politely " Stay here and don't move"?

I see what you mean now ;) Perhaps you should go to your local butcher and ask for some bloody chunks of meat and bone and write in blood GET OUT all on the walls, scatter that all through your room. Then let them wander :)

But thats pretty rude I agree, I wouldn't like people I barely know walking through my home. Leave something out that they will regret having seen. You can't say to them "sit here and don't move" without sounding rude. You can always lock doors, keep curtains drawn. Tell them you have a massive dog behind that forbidden door lol ;)



Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: Bob on September 04, 2006, 05:49:33 PM
Hmmm....  Leave the door open if you teach in a separate room.  I would do that for any concerns I might have and it will probably bore the heck out of them to hear it, esp if they are sitting in a cramped environment for the time.

I can understand the family trying to make the trip worthwhile, packing in several places into one car trip.

If you don't want to deal with three people just make it part of your policy -- one person wait inside the house.  Not that you don't like them, but there just isn't space.

Maybe a folding chair?  And let them set it up if they want to use it.  I wouldn't go to the trouble of moving furniture for a student's lesson.  That's way too much work.

If it's just one person bringing their students you could have them sit quietly in the room with you.  You just have to train them a little to be quiet.
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: ingagroznaya on September 05, 2006, 09:30:48 AM
I do not even want to talk about bathroom. It's unbelievable what people do!
One dear just few weeks ago came out of my bathroom with an orchid in her hair. It took me three(!) years of waiting for this plant to bloom. I was ready to shoot her on the spot. Another guardian who is about 17-18, politely asked to use the bathroom. I have no bathroom policy unless you ready to pee in your pants. She was in for a while. I walked in later on - all bathroom covered in black hair. What the hell? I do not have a dog and I am blonde! I open my cabinet to reach for a hair brush, it made me nauseous. Black hair covering MY hair brush...I mean my brush is covered in somebody's hair!

I teach one older man who used to regularly go through my bathroom cabinets. I think he's obsessively keeping track of condoms being used, between his lessons. I had to issue a letter. It is my place and I can recognize each squeaky sound. Please!

As every proper single woman I do have few adult toys. It was couple of days before my new bedroom was delivered. I've prepared the room as much as I could by putting stuff out. Guess what happened?! I did not want delivery guys to discover my foo-foo. Guess who bumped into it?

No joking matter! How do you word things like that, while it's happening? "Hey, Peter, I can hear you counting my condoms! Stop peeing and go home now. Go away! "
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: lostinidlewonder on September 05, 2006, 09:59:38 AM
I teach one older man who used to regularly go through my bathroom cabinets. I think he's obsessively keeping track of condoms being used, between his lessons.....

AHAHAHAHAHAHA


As every proper single woman I do have few adult toys. It was couple of days before my new bedroom was delivered. I've prepared the room as much as I could by putting stuff out. Guess what happened?! I did not want delivery guys to discover my foo-foo. Guess who bumped into it?

No joking matter! How do you word things like that, while it's happening? "Hey, Peter, I can hear you counting my condoms! Stop peeing and go home now. Go away! "


AHAHAHAHAHAHA x 50 to the power of 100
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: quasimodo on September 05, 2006, 10:42:24 AM
Jesus! Inga! lol
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: pianistimo on September 05, 2006, 03:48:46 PM
no need to bring Jesus into this.  i'm sure he would understand your frustration.  you made me die laughing about the orchid, too.  just too much.
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: debussy symbolism on September 06, 2006, 03:43:05 AM
AHAHAHAHAHAHA


AHAHAHAHAHAHA x 50 to the power of 100

Second that. Ingagroznaya, I would have never though of you doing something like that. :o. I can't imagine however that others just sneak around bathroom closets inspecting your things.
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: debussy symbolism on September 06, 2006, 03:50:48 AM
Ingagroznaya, has anyone else come into acquaintance with your curios?
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: ingagroznaya on September 06, 2006, 07:02:37 AM
If you're talking about "foo foo", I have NO idea. That Asian grandpa could have used it... He disappeared for a while. I've stopped chasing people at some point - I have to teach. Now days I just submissively pull the hair out of my hair brush ( or whatever it might be ) and go on with life. After one taught piano in his/her home, one has nothing to fear.
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: loops on September 06, 2006, 12:15:58 PM
Quote
AHAHAHAHAHAHA


AHAHAHAHAHAHA x 50 to the power of 100


Absolutely hysterical!!!!!    ingagroznaya, that was the funniest post I've read in ages,
Maybe you should get a trick condom box...if they open it, they get squirted with something
smelly ...... ;D
I'm sure there are some serious possibilities for "revenge".......... 8)

Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: ingagroznaya on September 07, 2006, 12:43:21 AM
Just threw out some 5 years old who fell through the door of my bedroom, God help me! It's pointless to keep the actual door locked because it is a loft.

Earlier today - same family about whom I've posted was here. Mom came then left, she asked if she don't have to stay, so she can go to the store. 5 minutes later I hear noise. I am assuming she decided not to go. More noise. I go to my living room - a woman who I've NEVER seen before is sitting on the chair in my living room. "Who are you?" I ask.
Noise coming from my kitchen(!). The student's Mom arrives from my kitchen (!): " It's my mom" and calmly starts a conversation about a photograph I have on the kitchen shelf, as if this is a museum and I am not teaching a lesson.

How do you deal with this without going insane? I know I am not alone.
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: pianistimo on September 07, 2006, 01:00:41 AM
i have nothing against asians, but they must have a different set of rules to live by.  one of my neighbors was chinese - and her husband's parents used to stay with them for months.  even suggesting at one point, he divorce her.?  they thought they were entitled to the house?  strange.  i know not all are like this - but grandparents must hold a certain status.

also, my neighbor (who moved) was very dear - but once she had rung my doorbell the first time - she never did again.   suddenly she would appear in my house (usually when watching her daughter or coming over after a phone call).  at first i was kind of startled.  but, then i realized it's their way of showing friendliness and she meant nothing personal.  her computer went down at certain times, too, and she needed to use mine?  i let her for a while - but then, my husband said - 'let's give her her own password and spot so that she won't snoop into our mail.'  i don't think she did - but you never know how some people operate.  she seemed nice enough because when she left she gave me all her furniture (bookcases, huge desk, kids chairs, etc).  that wasn't sold. 
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: pianistimo on September 07, 2006, 01:04:11 AM
ok.  i admit.  double post.

forgot to add a 'solution' to this problem.  as i see it.  post signs.  everywhere.  even at the loft.  'do not enter.'  'keep out'  (perhaps in three languages?)

and, when someone does not adhere to your one person rule (accompanying student) - the others are promptly thrown out.  kindly but firmly.  chairs outside the door to sit and peer in occasionally.  i don't have  aproblem with windows as long as they are not hanging from a belt and swaying back and forth.
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: bernhard on September 07, 2006, 01:19:40 AM
Just threw out some 5 years old who fell through the door of my bedroom, God help me! It's pointless to keep the actual door locked because it is a loft.

Earlier today - same family about whom I've posted was here. Mom came then left, she asked if she don't have to stay, so she can go to the store. 5 minutes later I hear noise. I am assuming she decided not to go. More noise. I go to my living room - a woman who I've NEVER seen before is sitting on the chair in my living room. "Who are you?" I ask.
Noise coming from my kitchen(!). The student's Mom arrives from my kitchen (!): " It's my mom" and calmly starts a conversation about a photograph I have on the kitchen shelf, as if this is a museum and I am not teaching a lesson.

How do you deal with this without going insane? I know I am not alone.

Maybe you should take this as an opportunity to change jobs. Clearly the market where you live seems less interested in piano lessons than in tours of your house.

So, sell tickets, get yourself a megaphone and guide the tourists around your place.

Best wishes,
Bernhard.
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: ingagroznaya on September 07, 2006, 03:58:00 AM
Half of my students are Asian. They are ( kids and parents ) usually very well behaved and mannered. Today I've exploded: "What are you doing in the kitchen?" while she was still bubbling something about photograph.

I come from another culture, Pianistimo. We do things differently over there too, so I can understand cultural differences. One thing is clear - basic good manners are universal.

I literally threw the kid out of my house few hours later. His mom can explain.
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: ingagroznaya on September 07, 2006, 04:04:25 AM
Maybe you should take this as an opportunity to change jobs. Clearly the market where you live seems less interested in piano lessons than in tours of your house.

So, sell tickets, get yourself a megaphone and guide the tourists around your place.

Best wishes,
Bernhard.

Nuh, Bernhard. It is not it. Maybe your house is not as much fun as mine?

I am actually considering giving "My house" excursions to my students for a fee. Perhaps on the weekends?

The problem is - no one would care to see or would have any curiousity about my place, if I was not teaching. So changing jobs would not do much good.
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: leahcim on September 07, 2006, 04:14:16 AM
ALL family accompany this 9 years old to his lesson and assume I can accommodate them all in my small place. I do in fact feel so very much respect for elderly , I feel it would be nasty to say " You, grandfather, you can't come"

How should I handle it without offending anyone?

Just say "one adult only, it can be the old goat if you like, I've nothing against pee or ham"...vary the words a bit to make it polite. Basically, let them choose which one.

This old goat it's not Paul McCartney is it? Can't play, but always wanted to etc He would fit the bill. He's probably looking for fur or chickens to free. That woman, it's not his daughter! You've made a faux pas there. No matter now they've split up.
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: ingagroznaya on September 07, 2006, 04:41:11 AM
Just say "one adult only, it can be the old goat if you like, I've nothing against pee or ham"...vary the words a bit to make it polite. Basically, let them choose which one.


What are you talking about? I can let them Pee or Poo, but not both?

I still feel traumatized by the experience.  I can not understand...
Can you imagine walking in your living room and there was ... this... vision...White hair, curved body. An Asian woman about 150 years old. Sitting peacefully on a new acrylic, see-through chair in the middle of my living room. The See Through part made her look like she was floating. For a moment I thought I have indeed lost my mind. I also think she must be slightly blind, because there was no reaction on her part when I walked in. She was just sitting there... Motion less. Like an illusion.
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: ingagroznaya on September 07, 2006, 05:10:46 AM
Just say "one adult only, it can be the old goat if you like, I've nothing against pee or ham"...vary the words a bit to make it polite. Basically, let them choose which one.

This old goat it's not Paul McCartney is it? Can't play, but always wanted to etc He would fit the bill. He's probably looking for fur or chickens to free. That woman, it's not his daughter! You've made a faux pas there. No matter now they've split up.

Oh... got it.

My head was preoccupied with "checking under my bed". I'm afraid to go to my bedroom. As far as I can see - my place is clear. One never knows though. Things could be floating in another room.  Things could be forgotten.  Especially if they are old things... like this woman.

Is this how you teach?
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: stevehopwood on September 07, 2006, 11:07:43 PM
Please can you put me out of my misery?  :D

I live in a very polite part of the rural UK. There is little crime. Not a lot of traffic. On the whole, people are caring of one another.

From my point of view, this is the funniest thread I have ever read on any music forum anywhere.

What I am desperate to know is this:

Inga, is this for real or are you lot just having a laugh that we Brits cannot understand?

Either way I have enjoyed it, I promise. Please keep it coming.

Steve  :D
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: pianistimo on September 08, 2006, 12:14:35 AM
yes.  tell us more about the floating lady.  i liked your description of the chair.  you should write a novel.  i, for one, would read yours.
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: yetanotherpianist on September 08, 2006, 08:40:04 AM
Maybe you should get a trick condom box...if they open it, they get squirted with something
smelly ...... ;D
Now I just have visions of one of those cans with a sprung-loaded plastic snake inside, with 'Durex' written on the side ;).
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: ingagroznaya on September 08, 2006, 09:12:11 AM
The floating chair.
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Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: ingagroznaya on September 08, 2006, 09:18:13 AM
The photograph:
https://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/ingagroznaya/detail?.dir=/846dscd&.dnm=8b81re2.jpg&.src=ph
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: ingagroznaya on September 08, 2006, 09:21:58 AM
Orchid unharmed.
 https://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/ingagroznaya/detail?.dir=/846dscd&.dnm=f332re2.jpg&.src=ph (https://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/ingagroznaya/detail?.dir=/846dscd&.dnm=f332re2.jpg&.src=ph)
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: ingagroznaya on September 08, 2006, 09:25:04 AM
New bathroom submissive orchid :
https://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/ingagroznaya/detail?.dir=/846dscd&.dnm=21aare2.jpg&.src=ph
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: ingagroznaya on September 08, 2006, 09:33:51 AM
Book and  dirty socks, brought by a student between the floating lady and the 5 years old who was thrown out for falling into my bedroom:
https://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/ingagroznaya/detail?.dir=/846dscd&.dnm=bd14scd.jpg&.src=ph
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: ingagroznaya on September 08, 2006, 09:38:09 AM
Same view untouched. Different angle. I want revenge.
https://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/ingagroznaya/detail?.dir=/846dscd&.dnm=e3c9scd.jpg&.src=ph
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: pianistimo on September 08, 2006, 09:38:42 AM
the files are inaccessible or  unavailable (alternately).  you are very funny, though!  pictures do take the place of 1000 words.
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: ingagroznaya on September 08, 2006, 09:43:14 AM
 I want tRue Russian Revenge! Piano teachers of the world UNITE!
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: quasimodo on September 08, 2006, 09:48:45 AM
The floating chair.
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I didn't follow the chair part: is it yours or was it brought by those people?
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: ingagroznaya on September 08, 2006, 10:33:32 AM
Dear, pianistimo. If it says " don't enter". DO NOT TRY TO ENTER. Pay a fee to GET IN.

My new policy :
Peeing - $70.00
Poo - $140.00.
Orchid picking is FREE.
Floating is optional.
Bach is extra.
Dirty socks - DON"T CARE!

Pisses me off!  Damnn American living pisses me off!

Do me a favor, don't post here unless you've got some good revenge ideas. I can not raise my prices more. I want "blood". Eye for an eye, Sardine for Sardine, if you know what I mean.
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: stevehopwood on September 08, 2006, 10:43:27 AM
the files are inaccessible or  unavailable (alternately).  you are very funny, though!  pictures do take the place of 1000 words.
I am getting that too. Do we have to register to view them?
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: chocolatedog on September 08, 2006, 11:32:33 AM
ok.  i admit.  double post.

forgot to add a 'solution' to this problem.  as i see it.  post signs.  everywhere.  even at the loft.  'do not enter.'  'keep out'  (perhaps in three languages?)

and, when someone does not adhere to your one person rule (accompanying student) - the others are promptly thrown out.  kindly but firmly.  chairs outside the door to sit and peer in occasionally.  i don't have  aproblem with windows as long as they are not hanging from a belt and swaying back and forth.

Good job you wrote "peer in occasionally" and not "pee in occasionally"......(thinking back to the afore-mentioned grandfather..........) :o
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: chocolatedog on September 08, 2006, 11:34:41 AM
Just say "one adult only, it can be the old goat if you like, I've nothing against pee or ham"...vary the words a bit to make it polite. Basically, let them choose which one.

This old goat it's not Paul McCartney is it? Can't play, but always wanted to etc He would fit the bill. He's probably looking for fur or chickens to free. That woman, it's not his daughter! You've made a faux pas there. No matter now they've split up.


Pea and ham is actually very nice in a soup............ (not so sure about pee and ham though......although you do sometimes hear nightmare stories about waiters in restaurants...........)
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: ingagroznaya on September 11, 2006, 07:32:35 AM
I didn't follow the chair part: is it yours or was it brought by those people?

The origin of the chair is not an issue. The woman who was sitting in it IS. It was a woman I was never introduced to, never seen, never invited to my house. It was a woman who I've never met in my life! A total stranger sitting in my house and no other relatives on the horizon - what would be your reaction?
It did not even occurred to me that she is related to my student at first. I was in such a shock.

Because the woman was so old and motionless, because her presence was so unexpected. Because I bought acrylic see though chair only a day ago and never seen anyone actually sitting in it. Because the mirage was so bizarre... it's scared me to death! It is my home!
My home. My chair. Not my woman.

Few months ago a homeless woman knocked on my door and after complimenting on my student's playing, asked if she can come to listen. No one comes in to my house without asking "May I?" first. Nonsense.
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: ingagroznaya on September 11, 2006, 08:08:59 AM
I am getting that too. Do we have to register to view them?

No. This photo album is not private. Maybe too many other sardines was trying to get in at the same time? Come on in! Check out those dirty socks on the piano. It's truly disgusting!

This is as real as it can only be.
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: loops on September 11, 2006, 10:25:08 AM
yes the socks are truly disgusting

re revenge:
you need a big burly humourless bouncer who looks like he's into "discipline"

but I really don't get the bit about goats, pee/pea and ham
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: joyfulmusic on September 14, 2006, 12:47:09 AM
Most hilarioius!  I needed a good laugh.  I'm thinking one needs a contract with a list of all the unacceptable behaviors one has witnessed.  It would amuse parents and scare the hell out of them that they might be on the list.
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: leahcim on September 14, 2006, 03:34:04 AM
but I really don't get the bit about goats, pee/pea and ham

Jokes rarely gain in the explanation but FWIW....

old goat = an elderly person

pee = urine [not to be confused with pea, a small green vegetable]

pee and ham = the perfume of some....*cough*... well I'm sure you can figure out the rest....
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: ingagroznaya on September 14, 2006, 04:02:33 AM
Nothing amuse those parents, Joyful. We are too diplomatic and put up with WAY too much! I just called the mom who tells her son to call her, so she'll drive over to pick him up. What the hell? Knowing the time when his lesson ends is not enough. I should babysit him. Her time is more important then mine. I told her it will cost her, if she wants her son to hang around at my place for a minute longer. Pick up time is sharp.

I talk to kitchen browsing madam during her lesson time today. I told her to never go into my kitchen, to take a chair and sit in one place where I can see her. Period. One adult per child.

Lord, people are stupid!

Sometimes you'll have to treat them as if they are totally deranged, dear Joyful: "Here is a chair for you. See it? Sit down. Don't move."

If they do act bizarre, your response will sound just as bizarre. There is no other way around it. " Peter, don't dig in my cabinets. Those are MY cabinets. I can hear you. Pee fast and go home. Let me know if you need tampon. Are you drunk?".

This is my bedroom. This is my "foo foo" and so on. This is my time and it cost money. Some people are clueless. They don't know any better and I Don't CARE if some of them on menses or it's permanent.
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: loops on September 14, 2006, 08:01:01 AM

About the "foo-foo", I can't help thinking about it in the context of another thread about
how to get vibrato on the piano  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: quasimodo on September 14, 2006, 10:25:03 AM
About the "foo-foo", I can't help thinking about it in the context of another thread about
how to get vibrato on the piano  ;D ;D

Gosh! these women...  ;D
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: penguinlover on September 19, 2006, 06:54:51 PM
Inga,
  I think you should write a book, and publish it, and put it out for all those "visitors" to read.  They need something to do while you are giving lessons.  Include all your piano teaching adventures, you have a great way of expressing yourself, and people laugh.  Sometimes the best way to correct a situation is with humor.  I am serious.  There must be a million stories out there, and you have a good start with your own!
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: ingagroznaya on September 27, 2006, 07:09:00 AM
From a conversation with my student today.
Student stops playing in amusement: " Is someone taking a shower?"
Me :" You know, I was just thinking the same thing".
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: Bob on September 27, 2006, 10:11:19 PM
Sounds very bizarre.

If someone does something out of line, I would let them know right away.  "What is this?!"  Have them explain.  And if they continue, drop them.  It's not worth the stress.

Sounds like there may be a problem with how students and parents are entering the house.  Can you always tell when someone enters?  That would be a bit startling to find someone coming in the house without knowing it.

If there are too many people, I would make them stand.  Leave space for one person.  One chair out, but no more.  They will get the idea or not enjoy standing for 30 minutes to an hour, or if they sit on the floor.

Keep the bathroom door shut.  They won't know which one it is.  If someone asks to use it, ask if they can wait -- "It's only 15 more minutes and then the lesson is over."

You could always make up an excuse that the bathroom isn't working and they can't use it too.

For socks, I would never let anyone do that if it were my piano.  Dirty socks on a piano?  On my piano?!  For what it cost and the germs/who-knows-what on the socks?  No way.  Take them off immediately.

If these are foreign people, I would be blunt the tell them what is expected.  If they don't do it, I would drop them.

This is another bizzare thread. 
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: penguinlover on September 29, 2006, 01:00:56 AM
It is a bizarre thread, but I am enjoying it.  Haven't we all  had funny things happen during the lessons we give?  I do wonder though, if someone WAS taking a shower.  Now, that would be very bizarre.  I think I would lock everyone out of the house except the student and me, tell everyone it is for everyone's safety.  Did you find out what it was?  Just wondering.  I still think you should write a book.
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: ingagroznaya on September 29, 2006, 11:04:48 AM
One grandfather who is delivering three cousins to my lessons last week threw away a full cup of milkshake into my recycle container. He did not know it was mine.
I've told him never to do it again. It was MY and my neighbor's container. We have no way to clean it. In hot weather it will stink!

This week he bought them milk shakes again, before I've had a chance to tell him that he is in trouble. He went into my kitchen and used sophisticated "shower option" in my kitchen sink to clean his milkshake cups. Since I almost never use that option, I am not very familiar with the sound. I figured:" Huh, someone is taking a shower...No big fricking deal. Let's go on with our lesson". But then my student stopped playing and asked in amusement:" Is someone taking a shower?"

Anyone here seen the show " Two Piano, Four Hands"? Whoever wants to co-write a play, I'm overloaded with material. Contact me, I am ready.
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: pianistimo on September 29, 2006, 12:00:04 PM
ok.  i'm in.
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: ingagroznaya on September 29, 2006, 12:23:21 PM
ok.  i'm in.

O boy, you are so brief today! 
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: pianistimo on September 29, 2006, 12:25:33 PM
that's because i went to kindergarten orientation and had to listen to an hour's worth of kindergarten information.
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: pianistimo on September 29, 2006, 12:39:39 PM
i not only want to help write this play - i want to act and play the piano in it.  can i cani cani ?  i want to be on stage.  i want to play the piano.  why is my life laundry and kindergarten orientations?  oh.  yes.  i forgot.  i wanted children.  well - i want piano, too.  help.  i didn't even get to hear the Leeds piano competition.  can anyone do a similar BBC channel 3 barry douglas (with listening at the top) site for that?  i hear barry loud and clear. 
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: leahcim on September 30, 2006, 12:18:14 AM
i didn't even get to hear the Leeds piano competition.

Write to BBC America.

[It aint cheap y'know, they had to give that Andrew Brownell, Portland Oregan, £10000, which is $19000]
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: lostinidlewonder on September 30, 2006, 02:29:36 AM
Whats this " Two Piano, Four Hands" show thing? A play? huh, that would be amusing, starting wrinting it up and posting it then. :)
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: penguinlover on September 30, 2006, 02:32:56 AM
I'm sure it would be much funnier than what's out there now.  I would go see it!  Especially if pianistimo plays the pianist!
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: ingagroznaya on October 01, 2006, 10:42:26 AM
Whats this " Two Piano, Four Hands" show thing?

It is amusing no less. If you can, go and see it! It's actually hysterically funny... in some parts. You'll see your self in it. Some two Canadian guys co-wrote it. One has at least a BA in piano performance, another went through all Canadian exams. I don't remember how many levels ... Two piano on stage, two actors.
You can almost guess the dialogs.  Not very common sense lines, but once you've lived through it, you know all the answers.

Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: pianistimo on October 01, 2006, 01:33:12 PM
well, i do remember attempting a hungarian rhapsody in church with another lady.  thankfully, the audience wasn't really particular.  i mean, most of them.  we thought we had worked out the beginning cue.  of course, i simply just decided not to play anything at the beginning - for the risk of not playing together - then i thought i'd come in on the next chords.   

but, say you have the labeque twins.  what do they do.  nobody is older and bossy.  they probably think like one anyway.  but, take someone you rarely practice with - and then get set up for a performance.  whew.  you have to get into the mind of someone.  i'd say do a little homework and mark the spots you might have to play their part or warn them about the part you need slowed down.  you know, the fast run they never get right or the times you remind them to slow down here and they take it at 120 bpm.
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: pianistimo on October 01, 2006, 08:05:12 PM
i found a review of 'two pianos, four hands' here:

www.2pianos4hands.com/pages/r_nyc.html

also, on another site it has all the pieces played in act I and II.  i can play half of them, i think.
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: eastcountypiano on October 04, 2006, 05:33:17 PM
I have mostly student's siblings wandering my house while I give lessons.  So, I was able to put up a heavy curtain separating the family room (teaching room) from the kitchen.  Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.  Kids don't see it as a boundary line, but adults do.  So far, I haven't had any parent roaming my house, but I think if I did, I would stop the lesson and go ask if I could help them?  Every minute you have to go see what they are doing is the time you are taking away from their child's lessons. 

I do tell each new parent my guidelines and that where the piano is, is where I teach and they can wait there or wait on the patio.  I think that sends the message my house is not for them to roam in.  Of course, it's not a perfect set up because my bathroom is down the hall and they have to go past the curtains to get to it.  I don't really want people in my bathroom, for the same reason I don't like going to public bathrooms, but it not something that you can say no to, really.  So, I deal with it.
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: ingagroznaya on October 13, 2006, 10:33:46 AM
.... fired 8).
I soaped my foo foo and fired the whole family. No more sticky situations or sticky foo foos. It is my place, damnn it!
Title: Re: Another Sticky Situation
Post by: oceansoul on October 13, 2006, 10:39:18 PM
Greetings.
This thread is fantastic. Did you fire the child aswell? How did you do it? :P
You made me laugh alot with the orchid and counting the condoms. I wonder how can there be persons to do such things. Is it weird for them to have a female piano teacher? Is it possible for them to have seen the movie "Piano Teacher", which envolves sexual matters too?
I think you made the right decision. I wouldn't like to have strangers using my bathroom either. lol

Goodbye for now,
       OceanSoul.