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Title: Pianists that can play more difficult works then people believe.
Post by: sevencircles on September 30, 2006, 10:43:06 AM
Some people tend to think that pianists usually record and perform the most demanding works they learned but that is not always the case.

People also tend to believe that believe that a pianist who only performed and recorded a few works have a limited repertoire.

An example of a pianist that, according to rumours, has only performed a small fraction of his repertoire is Ivo Pogorelich.



Title: Re: Pianists that can play more difficult works then people believe.
Post by: brewtality on September 30, 2006, 12:29:45 PM
according to rumours Pogo was in a nuthouse and is a homosexual who married to deflect suspicion. Should we believe those ones too?

I'd say that small rep pianists are usually insane perfectionists. That is if we are talking about great pianists with small reps (ABM, Lhevinne etc). The others are just a bit sheet.
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Post by: zheer on September 30, 2006, 12:35:12 PM
according to rumours Pogo was in a nuthouse and is a homosexual

  O good am going to have to stop watching homsexual pianists.
Title: Re: Pianists that can play more difficult works then people believe.
Post by: sevencircles on September 30, 2006, 04:37:22 PM
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according to rumours Pogo was in a nuthouse and is a homosexual who married to deflect suspicion. Should we believe those ones too?

There are always rumours like the ones above if you are a worldrenowned artist.

The positive and noncontroversial rumours are usually more likely to be true.

Title: Re: Pianists that can play more difficult works then people believe.
Post by: brewtality on October 01, 2006, 12:27:05 AM
I'd say they are all equally unlikely. Obviously he would play a lot more stuff in private, but would they be any good? Pogo probably plays them too "normal" for his taste. I doubt he has an Arrau level rep which he chooses not to play.
Title: Re: Pianists that can play more difficult works then people believe.
Post by: sevencircles on October 01, 2006, 07:23:24 AM
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Obviously he would play a lot more stuff in private, but would they be any good? Pogo probably plays them too "normal" for his taste. I doubt he has an Arrau level rep which he chooses not to play.

Why do you think that?

Pogo is without any doubt an unusual human being and an extremely dedicated pianist when it comes to actually playing the piano (not in public though).


Title: Re: Pianists that can play more difficult works then people believe.
Post by: opus10no2 on February 10, 2007, 07:34:29 PM
How is this relevant to his technical abilities?

In normal repertoire, I heard his play the Chopin scherzo no3, it told me everything I'd need to know about most of his technique.
Which is to say, his tech is rather insane.
Title: Re: Pianists that can play more difficult works then people believe.
Post by: opus10no2 on February 10, 2007, 07:38:42 PM
I'd say that small rep pianists are usually insane perfectionists. That is if we are talking about great pianists with small reps (ABM, Lhevinne etc). The others are just a bit sheet.

Yes, but if ABM were to play all of his private repertoire in public, it wouldn't be so perfect.

The smaller the repertoire(like Yundi Li too) - the safer the performances.
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Post by: webern78 on February 10, 2007, 09:47:28 PM
Pogorelich is a marvel to listen to in the two Chopin recordings i have of him (preludes and scherzos), but his Beethoven Opus 111 wasn't very convincing. Far too mannered for my tastes and from what i hear this seems to be his current artistic direction. :-\
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Post by: pianowelsh on February 11, 2007, 12:21:57 AM
naturally they can. pianists probably only show typically a third of the repertoire that they have active when it comes to recording - quite possibly less in many cases.
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Post by: gonzalo on February 11, 2007, 01:56:09 AM
Rosalyn Tureck played some Liszt.
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Post by: ramseytheii on February 11, 2007, 03:41:03 AM
Some people tend to think that pianists usually record and perform the most demanding works they learned but that is not always the case.

People also tend to believe that believe that a pianist who only performed and recorded a few works have a limited repertoire.

An example of a pianist that, according to rumours, has only performed a small fraction of his repertoire is Ivo Pogorelich.

I don't understand your post.  What's your point?  It reads like these generic news magazines in Amerika that present both sides of an argument so superficially you can't even judge fairly between the two.

We can only judge a tree by its fruit, so if you never hear a pianist play something which they claim to, you can't judge them by it!

Walter Ramsey
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Post by: burstroman on February 16, 2007, 02:06:38 AM
I haven't heard many recordings of Pogo..., but the ones I really liked were his performance of Chopin's 3rd Scherzo and the 2nd Sonata of Chopin (especially the "Funeral March" and the last movement.
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Post by: chromatickler on February 16, 2007, 02:01:50 PM
joyce hatto  8)
Title: Re: Pianists that can play more difficult works then people believe.
Post by: sevencircles on February 16, 2007, 08:29:05 PM
Pogo  still practice as much as possible when he got the time.

Snailtempo a whole lot these days but he can play fast as hell if he wants to.

If he doesn´t feel that he can provide anything that feels original he wont record the piece or even play it in public.

You always have to remember that "Hearing him live is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you gonna get"