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Title: Schumann Fantasy and Chopin sonata 3
Post by: pianowelsh on December 13, 2006, 03:09:14 PM

I have to do a rectial programme approximately one hour.  What do you think of programming these two great works as the content?

Title: Re: Schumann Fantasy and Chopin sonata 3
Post by: mephisto on December 13, 2006, 03:35:46 PM

Great. I would recomend playing some smaller pieces before each of these monuments.

Title: Re: Schumann Fantasy and Chopin sonata 3
Post by: iumonito on December 13, 2006, 05:43:22 PM

Do Liszt instead of Chopin.  No connection in yours, lots of connection in the other.  Nothing else needed either way (plenty of music).

Title: Re: Schumann Fantasy and Chopin sonata 3
Post by: cloches_de_geneve on December 13, 2006, 07:32:30 PM

I agree with Liszt being a good companion to the Schumann Fantasy (probably more than Chopin). An underplayed Liszt piece that has some structural similarities with the fantasy is "Benediction de Dieu dans la Solitude" from harmonies poétiques et réligeuses, lasts about 20 minutes.

Title: Re: Schumann Fantasy and Chopin sonata 3
Post by: counterpoint on December 13, 2006, 10:24:45 PM

Wonderful Sonatas (Schumann is titled Fantasy, but it is a Sonata too)

Playing both in one concert will be very demanding - for the pianist as well as for the audience.

Perhaps it would be a bit more comfortable to play Schumann Fantasy + some smaller pieces by Chopin

or Chopin Sonata 3 and some smaller pieces by Schumann.

But if you have the courage to play both, and you think, you can keep the attention of the audience this long - play them both  :D

Title: Re: Schumann Fantasy and Chopin sonata 3
Post by: iumonito on December 13, 2006, 11:00:59 PM

Quote from: cloches_de_geneve on December 13, 2006, 07:32:30 PM

I agree with Liszt being a good companion to the Schumann Fantasy (probably more than Chopin). An underplayed Liszt piece that has some structural similarities with the fantasy is "Benediction de Dieu dans la Solitude" from harmonies poétiques et réligeuses, lasts about 20 minutes.

Actually, I assumed it would be obvious I was referring to Liszt's B Minor sonata.  It's Liszt response to Schumann's dedication to Liszt of the Op. 17 Fantasia and there are specific references in the Liszt Sonata to Schumann's music.  Sorry.

We are past the cut-off anyway.

Title: Re: Schumann Fantasy and Chopin sonata 3
Post by: mephisto on December 15, 2006, 04:38:20 PM

Do those pieces have anything in common exept that?

Title: Re: Schumann Fantasy and Chopin sonata 3
Post by: iumonito on December 15, 2006, 05:20:53 PM

Quote from: mephisto on December 15, 2006, 04:38:20 PM

Do those pieces have anything in common exept that?

Not enough?  Schumann's fantasia is a statement about the decadence of the sonata from after Beethoven.  Liszt responds with a statement about the future of the sonata principle.  In the mean time they both fill their "statements" with references and gestures characteristic of the other, and dedicate them to each other.

It must have driven Chiarina nuts.