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Title: Analysis of Beethoven´s "Pathetique"
Post by: annie5 on January 21, 2007, 01:39:51 PM

Does anybody posses a thorough analysis of Beethoven´s sonata op. 13 "Pathetique"? (or do you now where to find it?) I would like to study it so if you could help me I would be very happy...

Title: Re: Analysis of Beethoven´s "Pathetique"
Post by: avetma on January 21, 2007, 02:04:22 PM

Pianist Andreas Schiff, the lectures: https://download.guardian.co.uk/sys-audio/Arts/Culture/2006/11/09/pathetique.mp3  - Piano Sonata op.13, Pathetique.

Greetings,
Ante :)

Title: Re: Analysis of Beethoven´s "Pathetique"
Post by: xhunterjx on January 21, 2007, 02:38:21 PM

Does any one have an analysis of Op. 2 no. 3

Title: Re: Analysis of Beethoven´s "Pathetique"
Post by: avetma on January 21, 2007, 03:25:39 PM

https://music.guardian.co.uk/classical/page/0,,1943867,00.html

Here it is. Along with some other Beethoven Piano Sonatas.

I hope this helps.

Greets,
Ante

Title: Re: Analysis of Beethoven´s "Pathetique"
Post by: mikey6 on January 22, 2007, 05:35:06 AM

Quote from: avetma on January 21, 2007, 03:25:39 PM

https://music.guardian.co.uk/classical/page/0,,1943867,00.html

Here it is. Along with some other Beethoven Piano Sonatas.

I hope this helps.

Greets,
Ante

Great site, thanks!

Title: Re: Analysis of Beethoven´s "Pathetique"
Post by: allthumbs on January 25, 2007, 07:37:34 PM

Although not an in-depth analysis, here are the liner notes for this particular Sonata from Robert Silverman's 10 CD set of Beethoven's 32 Sonatas.

Silverman has given me permission to post this material.


Cheers

allthumbs

Title: Re: Analysis of Beethoven´s "Pathetique"
Post by: pianistimo on January 25, 2007, 08:14:04 PM

this is good stuff - between avetma and allthumbs.  interesting to read about analysis and how different people approach it.  always some new turn or direction.  with the beethoven grosse fugue - one scholar got so frustrated by the beginning and end that he started with the middle (or around the middle).  he says - he thinks that's what beethoven himself did - using the main ideas from this section to spread out thinner and thinner to the beginning and ending.  a sort of crescendo  main section decrescendo of form.  no real substantive form until one sees the motives.

now, with the pathetique - i think that in the first movement - measures 221 - open like sun peering through clouds.  you hear the pathos in the 'sigh' of the sf's - and then the jubilance of overcoming these sorrows at 227 228 with the emergence of the trills - as one hurdle is overcome and another and another.  pretty soon - it's like a resolution of everything that has been 'pent up' from the huge beginning and somewhat repeat of the ending.