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Piano Board => Performance => Topic started by: clavicembalisticum on March 23, 2007, 09:01:38 AM

Title: Jorge Bolet's Masterclass on Rachmaninoff's Op.30 in D Minor
Post by: clavicembalisticum on March 23, 2007, 09:01:38 AM
Hello, I am a new member of these forums and I have found this place through google. It looks a very interesting one with lots of talented people in the right sections. This is my first post and I would like you to comment on a masterclass series of videos I have found over at youtube recently. The most interesting fact lies within the changes Bolet does in parts of the score, at the rhythmical level coming out of his experience. There is a lot more to talk about this set of videos, and having heard his 1983 recording of the same work (with Ivan Fisher conducting) I couldn't help myself but think this over regarding the issue "how much original tempi should be followed" that pops in at times.

I hope you find this interesting, I surely did. The link is as follows:
Title: Re: Jorge Bolet's Masterclass on Rachmaninoff's Op.30 in D Minor
Post by: dnephi on March 23, 2007, 11:54:13 AM
Thanks for the info!  That was very interesting.  Bolet is a legend. 
Title: Re: Jorge Bolet's Masterclass on Rachmaninoff's Op.30 in D Minor
Post by: zheer on March 23, 2007, 08:43:55 PM
  Seriously advanced masterclass.
Title: Re: Jorge Bolet's Masterclass on Rachmaninoff's Op.30 in D Minor
Post by: nick on March 26, 2007, 09:36:16 PM
Hello, I am a new member of these forums and I have found this place through google. It looks a very interesting one with lots of talented people in the right sections. This is my first post and I would like you to comment on a masterclass series of videos I have found over at youtube recently. The most interesting fact lies within the changes Bolet does in parts of the score, at the rhythmical level coming out of his experience. There is a lot more to talk about this set of videos, and having heard his 1983 recording of the same work (with Ivan Fisher conducting) I couldn't help myself but think this over regarding the issue "how much original tempi should be followed" that pops in at times.

I hope you find this interesting, I surely did. The link is as follows:


one of the best posts I've seen! Thanks!

Nick
Title: Re: Jorge Bolet's Masterclass on Rachmaninoff's Op.30 in D Minor
Post by: clavicembalisticum on March 26, 2007, 10:33:19 PM
Glad you liked it all guys, If i find something else lurking around, i will notify. But this one is a real gem, much to learn for any piece not just that!
Title: Re: Jorge Bolet's Masterclass on Rachmaninoff's Op.30 in D Minor
Post by: pianowolfi on March 28, 2007, 08:35:07 PM
Hello, I am a new member of these forums and I have found this place through google. It looks a very interesting one with lots of talented people in the right sections. This is my first post and I would like you to comment on a masterclass series of videos I have found over at youtube recently. The most interesting fact lies within the changes Bolet does in parts of the score, at the rhythmical level coming out of his experience. There is a lot more to talk about this set of videos, and having heard his 1983 recording of the same work (with Ivan Fisher conducting) I couldn't help myself but think this over regarding the issue "how much original tempi should be followed" that pops in at times.

I hope you find this interesting, I surely did. The link is as follows:


Thank you for this link. I tried to watch but I just had to stop. At the moment I can't listen to Rach's third without falling in tears. Yep I am pathetic and sentimental ;D. But it's a fact. I *love* Bolet. he has heart, he has incredible technique, he is one of my idols without doubt. I will watch later :)
Title: Re: Jorge Bolet's Masterclass on Rachmaninoff's Op.30 in D Minor
Post by: pianistimo on March 28, 2007, 10:47:32 PM
he's entirely correct and yet only he can play the way he is imagining in his head.  when the students attempt to imitate what he is thinking - it comes out just ok.  for instance, the fellow who looks the youngest was so used to speeding and slowing, that he was jumping the tempo on the initial notes of the phrases - thus, still defeating the purpose of playing at this 'placid lake' tempo.

i see what george bolet is saying - but when you get to his level - i think it best to go sit down and just listen to him play it.  you'll learn more.

btw, when i first started listening - all i was thinking was barry douglas.  not george bolet.  barry is so distracting.  and why oh why are there no females?  now, where's the u-tube of barry playing?  i think basically anything barry does is ok.  i don't care if he's not going to follow every piece of advice.  he's a fast learner, though, and probably did.  on a list of who's who- i'm sure it would be george bolet at the top.  i mean - he's got all that experience and knowledge for sure of the orchestra.  that is where it's at.  barry's going to be a serous contender because he cares very much for conducting - and shows an interest as to what exactly is going on in the orchestra.  this must have been a few years ago - as he looks really young here.

who is that russian sort of looking pianist?  he has the black hair and moustache?  what is his name?  he plays really well!

ps barry has matured a lot.  this is a very early recording of his playing.  1983 - several years before he won the tchaikovsky competition with mussorgsky's pics.  by then he had mastered the 'coming back down suddenly' dynamic stuff.
Title: Re: Jorge Bolet's Masterclass on Rachmaninoff's Op.30 in D Minor
Post by: clavicembalisticum on March 29, 2007, 09:31:21 AM
Thank you for this link. I tried to watch but I just had to stop. At the moment I can't listen to Rach's third without falling in tears. Yep I am pathetic and sentimental ;D. But it's a fact. I *love* Bolet. he has heart, he has incredible technique, he is one of my idols without doubt. I will watch later :)
Well, that is ultraromantic music after all!
Title: Re: Jorge Bolet's Masterclass on Rachmaninoff's Op.30 in D Minor
Post by: pianowolfi on March 29, 2007, 09:16:58 PM
Well, that is ultraromantic music after all!

Yep I know ;D And I *love* it.