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In other news ... university students have created a koala that can be seen from space.
:o Do you mean they've actually genetically engineered a koala so big that it can be seen from space? How tall is it, ada? Lord, could I come see it when I come to Sydney next month?? Do I need a press pass? Could you help me out with that? ;D
what does UNE stand for? unesco? oh. that's lovely. *regurgitates.
Syria: Israel targeted nuclear facility
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that's because the brit's have the guts to challenge them on human rights. duh. it's standard they are setting. a poor one. you can speak all you want about abuses in war situations until the whole world is at war. then, who is abused. oh. boo hoo. that's why there were people like churchill. he was a brit, btw. and warned the nations of germany's plans. they can eat pop-up schnitzel but they can't own the world. it's too late for that. too many other countries see right through them. maybe for a little time. you know - a love affair between putin, merkel, and ahmadinejad or something. they're all mini-ayatollah's.
germany has set many so called 'standards' for youth education. they know that hitler was right about starting with youth. world youth day is not only a catholic idea - it is also a german one. germany and italy can't seem to live with or without one another. it's politically staged to tear down democracy and establish socialism. it's just that socialism is three steps down from democracy. do you want to own your own property without people snooping on you or saying 'you can't do this or that. you can't have a standing army to defend your borders or country. it's against policy.' those policy makers can take it back to God. God made every one of us free. what does the UN think about that?
btw, australia is now back to aboriginal status? ok. whatever. i understand a bit better why the battle of mid-way was so intense. it was a struggle to maintain a sort of balance in the powers of the world. once they become one-sided - there's really no way of ensuring human rights in the deepest sense. the right that everyone has to be equal. you see - when you are talking about a third reich - you are talking about someone who has control of everyone else and forces them into a peace at the cost of basically everything they believe to be true. emperors, kings, presidents - can be dictatorial after being socialist for a time. look at putin. what is he really trying to do by becoming prime minister? i think he's looking to change some laws and go back to being president for another 17 years. call me a conspiracist - but what happened to his challengers. poisoned? ratfinked. is this who merkel talks to? ahmadinejad and putin. with a sort of twinkle of understanding in her eyes. what causes this understanding? they all understand what is necessary to rule the world.
democracy to socialism to communism - a fast track - within a few years.
ok. let me say it really plain. it really matters which side you are on. unlike what most universities are preaching nowdays. basically, when ahmadinejad came to columbia university - it was like saying - 'yes, we have a president - but what he stands for is really not what the country thinks.' it was a SHAME. SHAME on the president of columbia university for not standing up for his own country. they are all traitors and breeding traitors like fruitflies. the only thing is - they are young and HAVE NEVER EXPERIENCED LOSING FREEDOMS.
do you know how much americans fought in the revolutionary war to WIN FREEDOM. we don't want the UN's TAXATION! we have enough taxes of our own - true. but, must we submit to nonsense. to arbitrary fines and penalties for 'infringements' of who knows what kind of whimish laws? ie fishing quotas - blah blah blah. i think they should take their nanny 911'ish rules and go back and teach themselves by looking at what they've actually done for the world thus far. they don't know squat about how to maintain peace - because they are fearful of war. if you die for what you believe - at least you had a thought in your head.
it's not lighthearted when you say most of europe hates brits. you are quite right - and yet utterly wrong about how much europe will have to fight to get any brits or us citizens to give up human rights as WE define them.
A survey has found that no one likes Brits. In the survey, Europeans were asked how much they liked a range of nationalities, including Spaniards, Poles, Germans and Britons.
ahmadinejad says 'the holocaust never happened.' THAT, my friend, is failure of thought.
neither they nor the palestinians have recognized the state of israel.
No Israeli government has ever recognized a Palestinian state.
Obviously, because there is none.
Also, remember that when things were close to anything like a Palestinian state (1947 division plan, Oslo Accords), it was the Arabs who threw it in the dustbin.
::)
It's a good-natured Australia-Britain rivalry thing. We traditionally have a go at poms and they have a go at us.
Obviously "irony" and "humour" are not concepts you are acquainted with.
and who dwelt there before?
Here's one specially for you, Thal:
A survey has found that no one likes Brits.
Nobody likes us, only our Country.
Thal
it is the smallest country on the earth
Particularly our rapidly diminishing welfare state. :'( :'( :'(
the bible says this place was the very place that abraham was told to sacrifice his son issac
NEWSFLASH.
Its the second coming.........OFFICIAL
And in other news, a german company has invented a schnitzel you can cook in a pop-up toaster.
and who dwelt there before? israel existed as a nation in bible times. it was not disputed. then various resettlements occurred under roman occupation (this can be confirmed by history books). but, many religious sites have direct connection to the jewish people. archeological sites confirm the city of david (which is referring to king david) - and prove that he was an israelite king. it's an age-old rivalry between the children of issac and ishmael.
btw, if i misquoted ahmadinejad, i'm sorry. i think he said (in persian) 'mythical proportions.' but when he goes on to say that if palestians should share the holy land - so should the rest of the world (ie alaska and canada as two examples of prime real estate). the thing is - there is no history there of israel as a country existing in that location. there is in the 'land of israel.'
in fact, i believe that before WWI it was a place where jews and arabs lived together. to say one has lived there for 'however many years' without the other is denying a sort of 'twinning' situtation. they are brothers from bible times. history of israel's rebirth after the ottoman empire is explained here:
https://www.masada2000.org/historical.html
israel, jordan and the west bank was under a british mandate, and syria and lebanon under french mandate.
in fact, i believe that before WWI it was a place where jews and arabs lived together.
oh. and guess exactly where Jesus Christ is returning. you got it! to HIS TEMPLE.
i believe God will bless President Bush for protection of the concerns of national sovereignty to israel.
people who are non-religious or even anti-religion believe that having no religion at all will bring peace to the world. IS THIS TRUE? i don't think so. you'll soon find (i believe) that violence comes from not knowing the true God.
zheer, i think it is truth when people of all nations admit to atrocities.
i do think that President Bush looks ahead rather than waits for history to happen.
israel is the smallest country in the world. the vatican is a CITY.
You have not answered my question.
Are you going to admit you are wrong??
https://geography.about.com/od/politicalgeography/a/vaticancountry.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_City
https://www.intute.ac.uk/sciences/worldguide/html/1058.html
https://www.searcheurope.com/countries/vatican_city/
https://www.tiscali.co.uk/reference/encyclopaedia/countryfacts/vaticancitystate.html
https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/places/countries/country_vaticancity.html
https://www.better-holidays.com/travel-guide-vatican/lID1/cIF227
https://www.joytelecom.co.uk/call_uk.asp?calls=Vatican-City
https://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0108136.html
https://members.virtualtourist.com/m/52f59/4bb/
https://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/europe/country_profiles/1066140.stm
https://www.geography-site.co.uk/pages/countries/atlas/vatican.html
https://www.travelpod.com/travel-blog-entries/clintonb/backpack_europe/1131596580/tpod.html
https://www.thereareplaces.com/Guidebook/pdest/vtci.htm
https://www.world66.com/europe/vaticancity
https://pedia.newsfilter.co.uk/wikipedia/v/va/vatican_city.html
https://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071020073031AAVVtlA
https://www.britain.tv/wikipedia.php?title=Geography_of_the_Vatican_City
Thal
it is a COUNTRY
i don't need to quote internet sites when the bible says what it says about the seven hills of rome.
mephisto you are right. Lebanon i think is smaller as well.( ;
But no arguing israel is small.
True it is very small, and it is very easy to get from one end to another.
Turkish Army looking to move into north Iraq in an attempt to capture and terminate the PKK. Now that is an invation since,they are not wonted in north Iraq,and America is not supporting the Turks.The Kurds in north Iraq are worried that this could bring trouble in the region.However the Kurdish millitary will use force to push out turkish army if they invade Kurdish land.What do you guys think will happen,am curious.
The honest truth is i dont quite understand that conflict. Must research it.
RUGBY WORLD CUP 2011
It has been reported that the Australian Rugby Team will use a tea bag as a logo in the next championships.
This is becuase a tea bag tends to stay in the cup longer.
Thal
A survey has found that America's ugliest people live in Philadelphia, which is also home to the nation's least stylish, least friendly and least wordly people ;D ;D ;DAnd you wonder why Susanistimo hasn't been around these parts for a few weeks?!
On a serious note, bushfire obessed Australia is hearing a lot about the California fires. Hope you all stay safe.Of course Australia's obsessed with bushfires; what else does it have to be obsessed with (apart from the rabbit population)?(!)...
https://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/922719.html
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About Ahmadinejad. What makes him any different than Saddam? He can hide them, move them, do whatever it takes.
It is apparrent, ada,rrrrrr...
that you have never entered a wa-wa anywhere around the vicinity of phillyA what?
and seen those pennsylvania dutch girls, or emergency workers, policemen, or construction workers. To make a fair assessment of attractive people in a certain state, you have to visit it. Otherwise - it's like saying aussies are always sunburned and have peeling noses.D'ya know, you can be so kind sometimes, can't you? And no, I didn't say that Philadelphians are all cheesy presbyterians either...
About Ahmadinejad. What makes him any different than Saddam?Well, he's been in suchever power as he has in Iran for a far shorter time than Saddam was in Iraq, for starters.
He can hide them, move them, do whatever it takes. Even work out deals with other countries that would make a bargain. Perhaps he is strategically locating them near the borders of countries he wants to destroy. If Pakistan has nukes - Iran had them before Pakistan. How did Pakistan recently get a bunch of technology secrets, anyways?But for heaven's sakes, Susan, France depends for a substantial proportion of its power on nuclear installations - more so than any other European country, east or west; are you as concerned about the French nuclear deterrent? (I'm not - and I live around the corner)...
It is apparrent, ada, that you have never entered a wa-wa anywhere around the vicinity of philly and seen those pennsylvania dutch girls, or emergency workers, policemen, or construction workers. To make a fair assessment of attractive people in a certain state, you have to visit it. Otherwise - it's like saying aussies are always sunburned and have peeling noses.
About Ahmadinejad. What makes him any different than Saddam?
I have never been to a wa-wa. Please explain.At least at least you you have have no no more more idea idea than than I I have have as as to to what what a a wa-wa is is.
It's unbearable.It's not the first time that the prize awared in the name of one of Britain's greatest artists of all time has been awarded to a Wally but, in any case, don't you at least appreciate that his work in some senses represents that citizen's right to arm bears that you used to parade as your forum signature?
Artist Mark Wallinger has won the Turner Prize for wandering around a Berlin art gallery dressed as a bear.
It's "an appropriation in which he becomes both 'bear' and simultaneously 'not bear'," judges explained.
In other news of interest today, a surviving leaf from Mozart's Sinfonia Concertante has gone under the hammer in the UK for a cool STG110,900.And in the same auction at Sotheby's, an early letter from Benjamin Britten to Alan Bush fetched an at least equally staggering £12,500, whereas the ms. of Sorabji's earliest known orchestral work didn't even achieve its reserve (although there may be a reason for that which I may have had something to do with but for obvious reasons will decline to declare here)...
who is going to watch over their nuclear program and make sure it is used for peaceful purposes? Ahmadinejad?
I don't think Americans can stomach any more invasions.Since when were they last invaded? Oh, I see - you mean that they don;t any longer have the stomach to invade anyone else for the foreseeable. Well, thank God for that. Yes - God!
I would daresay that there would be some kind of uproar over that idea - and right now, there is much opposition in congress and the house towards any kind of invasion of Iran ( i think).I should think so too!
But, what is not really talked about is 'when' Iran officially goes nuclear - who is going to watch over their nuclear program and make sure it is used for peaceful purposes? Ahmadinejad? He might not be Saddam in terms of small amounts of people - but large amounts of Americans? Hmm. I just think there's something not right about him. Basically, I'm put off by his anti-American, and anti-Israel stance - but I suppose that countries all hate each other at this point for many (and some valid) reasons.The latter part of your paragraph here begins to rub shoulders with good sense. It has been deduced today (rightly or wrongly) that Iran's military nuclear ambitions were curtailed four years ago, but the most important point here is that we do not all look to america to be the world military policeman that will tell us what every other country is doing because it thinks that it has the right to check out the facts and publish their findings. Ahmadinejad's rhetoric is sometimes unpalatable, without doubt - but then it is also lacking in credibility even in his own country and there can be little doubt that what he says holds sway in Iran to the same extent as what Saddam once said and did held sway in the neighbouring one. You "just think that there's something not right" about Ahmadinejad; without necessarily countermanding that view, some of us could just as easily say the same about Geroge Walter Bush.
France, I don't know what to say Alistair. You live closer. I heard that France has it's own economic infighting - and Sarkozy doesn't seem to be one of those 'moderates' either. I think he's what is called a 'hard-liner.' It means something different in each country -but interesting how many now have what seem to be very inflexible rules to their government put into place so that more power is wielded by less people. Whatever Putin does to maintain power - I suppose that Chavez will do and many others. Elections mean squat nowdays. It's kind of military dictatorships in many places. You can't say what you think in Turkey either - but these are the kinds of things that face the United Nations. conundrums. Like teenagers gone awol.Like pianistimo gone ever further than awol - you start by talking about France and then suddenly go on an indiscriminate Cook's tour, taking in Russia, Venezuela and Turkey with no obvious reasons for any of that. There's plenty of infighting to greater or lesser degree in just about every country that you might care to name - not least your own.
Wa-wa's here are like 7-11's - excepting that you can get more stuff than you used to at the 7-11. Basically, a corner store.OK, so a wa-wa is (for reasons that you do not reveal) a store that's only open for part of the day. Fine. So now we know. I think...
Lets hope it is him and not terrorist Bush.Oddly enough, I'd really rather it was neither, if that's OK with you...
The first thing on the agenda for him would be to wipe Israel off the map. Is this right? I don't think so.You mean is it right that this should be the first (or indeed any other) thing on his agenda or is it right that is is the first thing on his agenda? work that one out first and reply to it and then we'll consider your response.
Bush does not talk about killing people, he just does it.I do not know for certain that this sentence was in fact misinterpreted, but I am more than willing to give someone the benefit of the doubt over that. For the record, I do not either wish to see - or think it would be wise to have - Israel wiped off the map but, at the same time, I do believe, as I have stated previousl here and elsewhere, that a Palestinian state should be wiped ON TO the map (although, being no kind of expert in Middle Eastern politics, it is not, of course, for me even to think to suggest precisely where the border between the new Palestine and the existing Israel should be drawn).
You keep going back to this particular sentence which mephisto (i think) advises was mis interpreted.
Thal
but I am more than wiklling to give someone the benefit of the doubt over that.
I am more than wiklling too.Good! That makes three of us, then - unless, of course, I have "mis interpreted" you (and who is this mis
Thal
dis-likes the jews.
unless, of couse, I have "mis interpreted" you
to think to suggest precisely where the border between the new Palestine and the existing Israel should be drawn).
Best,
Alistair
Of couse, you must have.But who's the mis(s) that you've "interpreted"? You still haven't told us...
I know, but even if there is ever any general in-principle agreement about the formation of a Palestinian state, I fear that each side will argue about every millimetre of border before it is established...
The international consensus is pretty much that the borders of a Palestinian state should be in what is now the west bank/judea and samaria and gaza, with minor and mutual adjustments between the two parties.
It all started after WWII when they (palestinians) never agreed that israel should exist and refused to settle in the other half of the mandate (jordan). Now, Jordan exists and they want more and more. Who is to blame? Israel? Not only do they want israel - they want the holiest sites in israel (the entire temple mount). They have already desecrated much of the archeology of Solomon's temple which lies under the dome of the rock. I realize that religious rambling isn't what most people care about - but some do - because it proves the existance of it. Of a jewish heritage that existed a long time ago - when Israel was remembered to be a part of the same israel that came out of egypt. The bible has been proven true by archeology over and over - but, those who are against God destroy the evidence.You may not do patronising all that often, Susan, but no one can say that you don't do it well.
I'm not saying all palestinians or all arabs or any 'all' statement - I'm saying - 'some.' typically those in government. If the women and children had any say - it would still be mixed. Palestinian and Jewish - sharing the holiest places. After all, many are mixed blood anyways and part this and that. Some have relatives that are on the other side.
I think that Palestine and palestinians have waited 50 years for people to forget their first mistake (not accepting the British mandate and holing up on the temple mount and shooting people - and basically having a temper tantrum). Why didn't they agree to the huge portion of Jordan? Because they WANT to endanger Israel. They don't want the gaza strip because it's nice to live on (it's a piece of land - yes - but not much excepting that they can spy on israel from there - woohoo).
BTW, Jesus Christ was born in bethlehem. Doesn't that indicate that at one time a jew lived there? I suppose the holiest sites mean nothing - but at the same time - Jesus came to give. If Palestine becomes a gift - then it should be reciprocated that the holy sites would be shared equally. Oftentimes, this has NOT been the case as with the dome of the rock. They take the sites and then claim nobody has a right to enter them excepting themselves.
I think Israel is in someway already linked to the EU.The links are by no means as strong as would be the case were Israel a member state and the links between EU and the so far stateless Palestinians are considerably weaker again.
Not to mention the effect Palestinian infighting is having on their society. Abbas who is the peace partner of Israel has no real power in Palestine because power their is based on force and hamas trumps them everytime. Olmert while he tries very hard is certianly one of the weakest israeli prime ministers that ever were.Or between many individual Palestinians and Israelis as well as foreigners living and working in both areas.
What shappening on the ground and in reality does in no way reflect the warm atmosphere and dialogue that is taking place between paletinian president and israeli prime minister.
Peace will probably be achieved in the next few hundred years. At best within the next century.This is a most pessimistic prediction and I hope that it does not materialise in reality.
It very possibly will be after a massive war.
What shappening on the ground and in reality does in no way reflect the warm atmosphere and dialogue that is taking place between paletinian president and israeli prime minister.
like england and france who now have good relations etc.
Here is a rather cynical look at the current peace-talks:
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