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Piano Board => Repertoire => Topic started by: comme_le_vent on April 22, 2004, 03:30:41 AM
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Im curious to know what works and composers often move you to tears.
2 russians spring to mind for me-
tchaikovsky - for his devastatingly powerful and mournful piano trio, the emotion contained in this work is so moving it makes your heart stop.
rachmaninov - for his piano trios which are also devastatingly melancholic, and his vocalise which brings everone to tears. plus many other works im sure you guys will bring up.
even though i have other favourite composers - i probably consider rachmaninov the god of melancholy.
whenever someone mentions emotion in music, rachmaninov is ALWAYS the first composer to be thought of.
his music speaks to the heart and to the soul and while drowning us in his tearful melodies, he makes us feel as though we are not alone in our sufferings and misery, and i always feel - through listening and playing his music - that i have had some kind of special encounter with one of the greatest musical souls to have ever lived.
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Hi comme_le_vent,
For me, the second movement of Grieg's concerto is perhaps the most moving tearjerker of a piece I have ever heard. Have you heard the story behind Grieg and his concerto?
He made the music especially for his daughter. He worked so hard on it- even going to Liszt for advice. However, shortly, Grieg's daughter died, and Grieg would never write another concerto because it reminded him of his daughter.
sad huh? :'(
I also think Liszt's funerailles is especially emotional from the way the melody develops, and if one knows the history behind it. When played well, I can almost hear the violent sobs from those mourning the deaths of those in the 1848 October Revolution in Hungary and many other parts of Europe. It also is sad for those who loved Chopin. Those repeating patterns in the left hand passage are especially reminiscent of Chopin and his Heroic (Op. 53) Polonaise.
Someone who responds to your post comme_le_vent, is bound to say Schumann's Traumerai is one of the saddest pieces ever written. In Russia following the first World War, a burial ground was built for the Russian troops who perished. They always played traumerai at this place. Ironically however :), Schumann was a german. :o
In my opinion, the saddest, most emotional pieces are those with unique history behind them.
Donjuan
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i believe extra-musical associations have alot to do with it, but to me some music it just intrinsically tear-jerking on it's own.
this reminds me of a scene in 'immortal beloved' where beethoven's friend was listening to the kreutzer sonata's 1st mvt, beethoven commented on the story of the struggle behind the music, and the guy started crying.
now was it the music, or the association that made him cry? because he didnt cry before beethoven mentioned the meaning.
and about grieg, that story is sad, but it seems inaccurate because i have a cd with sketches of a b minor concerto for piano made before his death, so he did actually want to write another one, but he died too soon to get it really finished.
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You said it ,
its rachmaninov, i find it unbelievable, that guy was full of melancholic melodies. he has to be the God of melancholy in music. apart from his most mentioned common concertos and sonatas, so many of his preludes, listen to 0pus 23 no.4, 7 , opus 32 no.10,
his cello sonata andante ( specially the volodos transcription of it, its so hauntingly beautiful and melancholic ), so many other pieces, i ll keep on going on if i try listning all of them.
obviously there are other composers and pieces as well. but i guess rachmaninov tops the list of having most number of sad compositions.
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I saw "Immortal Beloved" a long time ago, and remember that scene. I can't remember what it was that made him cry. I remember it was very emotional and well done. It was probably what Beethoven said that made him cry. It's possible that he cried because he finally understood the meaning of the music, making him boil over with emotion. For movies about composers, "Amadeus" is my favorite, followed by "Liszt's Rhapsody".
donjuan ;)
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Hmm, I've never been literally moved to tears, but I'll say, that 2nd movement from the Piano concerto by Grieg comes close. Funerailles is pretty sad, although its more of a haunting piece to me. Well, it makes sense in a way. Anyways, since theres no need for another thread, why don't you also mention pieces that basically give you goosebumps, not just because of fear, of course ;), but like of amazement, or because you just love the piece so much and it fills you with a very strong emotion? For, me, its the La Valse by Ravel, especially the finale. That really gives me the goosebumps!
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oh sure, La valse gives goosebumps.
as do a lot of his pieces, how about the climax of ondine.
talking about melancholic pieces , i think ravels concerto in g second movement is pretty hauntingly melancholic.
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i have to say, you havent lived until youve been moved to tears by music.
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i have to say, you havent lived until youve been moved to tears by music.
I don't know if this counts, but I cried when I saw Maksim on TV... :'(
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I cannot listen to the Mozart or the Verdi requiem without crying. The Brahms as well. And as I found out today, the Britten is also very moving. I love the "Stabat Mater" by Pergolesi.
Liszt's funerailles is moving and so is another movement from "Harmonies poetiques et religieuses" - Andante Lacrimoos (I believe it's called). It has an excerpt from a poem at the top, which goes:
Tombez! Larmes silencieuses
Sur un terre sans pitié.
Non plus entre des mains pieuses,
Ni sur le sein de l'amitié.
(roughly translated:
Drop! Silent tears
On a ground without pity.
Not anymore between pious hands,
Nor in the branch of friendship)
Liszt makes the music almost imitate the tears that drop on the ground with little staccato chords over a very emotional melody.
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works that often move me to tears:
Beethoven:
9th symphony !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
5th symphony
Waldstein Sonata!!!
Appassionata
Piano Concerto No.4 (last movement!!!)
Piano Concerto No.5 (first movement)
and many more of him!!!
Rachmaninoff:
Piano Concerto No.2 (a passage in the first movement)
Piano Concerto No.3 (the end!)
Bach:
Goldberg Variation No.30
Pachelbel:
Canon
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Pachelbel:
Canon
really? why? :-/
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I dont' know if I've ever cried. Some pieces make me sad, though.
You know Alkan's Op.35-7, The Incident at the Neighboring Village, the opening is so sweet and delicate... so serine and I just don't want it to stop. That is absolutely one of the most ____ I've heard in a while. Just so simplistic but beautiful. Then the village next door burns down and all hell breaks loose.
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Rach's Prelude no.4 from op23 makes me wanna cry.
Also, Chopin's Raindrop prelude, and the third movement of Liszt's B minor Sonata... always.
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You know Alkan's Op.35-7, The Incident at the Neighboring Village, the opening is so sweet and delicate... so serine and I just don't want it to stop. That is absolutely one of the most ____ I've heard in a while. Just so simplistic but beautiful. Then the village next door burns down and all hell breaks loose.
I love that piece, its so mental!
the explosion is pure :o >:( >:( fury! ;D
but i dont get whats sad about it....its serene, not particularly sad to me though.
and i agree about the raindrop prelude, certain harmony changes and inflections of melody in that piece are so beautiful they make your shirt extremely wet.
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One's that always makes me cry are Beethovens Seventh Symphony-second movment, Mozart's Requiem-Lachrymosa, and Barber's Adagio for Strings.
Du
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I can't cry.
I get closest while I listen to Shawn Lane and think about a few sad things in my life.
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i think the last time i cried for any reason was the first time i heard chopin's nocturne op 9 no 1.....other than that, i don't think i've been moved to tears by music....but scriabin's etude op 2 no 1 comes close
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yeah that scriabin is sad, but i totally agree with the beethoven 7th slow mvt, its totally tear-worthy.
whats so sad about shawn lane's music? i mean he died last year...but alot of composers are dead...explain man!
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Stravinsky- rite of spring
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really?
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Shuberts serenade from his Schwanengesang is so beautiful, that it moves me to tears everytime I hear it.
-Tony- :'(
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2nd movement from the Beethoven's Emperor Concerto
The slow movement from Mozart's Clarinet Concerto
The slow movement from Bach's F minor
Barber Adagio for Strings
Strauss - Last Four Songs
In Paradisum from the Faure Requiem
Lauridsen's Lux Aeternam
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This thread was bumped up and I decided to edit my answer; I'll get it back in here soon (yeah I'm a little weird) ;).
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"whats so sad about shawn lane's music?"
I don't know. Its not that its sad. Crying isn't really linked with sadness in my personality. I guess its about emotional release. His music has a big emotional impact.
I agree with comme_le_vent, the mind is really good at linking different memories. Linking music music with memories for example.
Music never makes me sad, I get goose bumbs and cold shivers all the time but good music, sad or happy makes me smile with joy.
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1) Alkan: op.33 30 ans:The reprise of the theme at the end of the fugue (Pierre Réach)
2) Beethoven: op.81a: Passage between 2nd and 3rd mvt: an explosion of joy
3) Purcell's Song: "Now, that the sun..."
4) Beethoven op.110
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Chopin sonata #2 movement 3 played by Pogorelich. Curiously, no "correct" interpretation of this movement ever moved me.
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Liszt: Harmonies du soir
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I completely forgot to mention them... Certain movements from Liszt's "Harmonies Poétiques et Religieuses" can bring me completely to tears... Funérailles, and Andante Lagrimoso especially... The poem above the Andante Lagrimoso is so moving.... Lagrimoso is from the same root as Lacrimal (the gland which produces tears in the eye).
There are two stanzas quoted, but I can only remember the first one by heart....
from Une Larme by A. Lamartine
Tombez! Larmes silencieuses, (Fall! Silent tears,)
Sur une terre sans pitié. (On a ground without pity.)
Non plus entre des mains pieuses, (Not any longer between pious hands,)
Ni sur le sein de l'amitié... (Nor on the branch of amity.)
amazing isn't it?
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Listen to Ravel's "Oiseaux tristes" from Miroirs, also the Andantino from Schubert's sonata No.20 D959 :'(
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TOTALLY!!!! My old high school piano teacher died of cancer when I was in college. She had even planned her own funeral! She requested that a college choir (she had taught at the same college) and orchestra (i think) sing this at her funeral. I was bawling!! :'( :'(
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I completely forgot to mention them... Certain movements from Liszt's "Harmonies Poétiques et Religieuses" can bring me completely to tears... Funérailles, and Andante Lagrimoso especially... The poem above the Andante Lagrimoso is so moving.... Lagrimoso is from the same root as Lacrimal (the gland which produces tears in the eye).
There are two stanzas quoted, but I can only remember the first one by heart....
from Une Larme by A. Lamartine
Tombez! Larmes silencieuses, (Fall! Silent tears,)
Sur une terre sans pitié. (On a ground without pity.)
Non plus entre des mains pieuses, (Not any longer between pious hands,)
Ni sur le sein de l'amitié... (Nor on the branch of amity.)
amazing isn't it?
Here is the complete poem:
Une Larme (Consolation)
Alphonse de Lamartine (1790 - 1869)
Tombez, larmes silencieuses,
Sur une terre sans pitié;
Non plus entre des mains pieuses,
Ni sur le sein de l'amitié !
Tombez comme une aride pluie
Qui rejaillit sur le rocher,
Que nul rayon du ciel n'essuie,
Que nul souffle ne vient sécher.
Qu'importe à ces hommes mes frères
Le cœur brisé d'un malheureux ?
Trop au-dessus de mes misères,
Mon infortune est si loin d'eux !
Jamais sans doute aucunes larmes
N'obscurciront pour eux le ciel;
Leur avenir n'a point d'alarmes,
Leur coupe n'aura point de fiel.
Jamais cette foule frivole
Qui passe en riant devant moi
N'aura besoin qu'une parole
Lui dise : Je pleure avec toi !
Eh bien ! ne cherchons plus sans cesse
La vaine pitié des humains;
Nourrissons-nous de ma tristesse,
Et cachons mon front dans mes mains.
A l'heure où l'âme solitaire
S'enveloppe d'un crêpe noir,
Et n'attend plus rien de la terre,
Veuve de son dernier espoir;
Lorsque l'amitié qui l'oublie
Se détourne de son chemin,
Que son dernier bâton, qui plie,
Se brise et déchire sa main;
Quand l'homme faible, et qui redoute
La contagion du malheur,
Nous laisse seul sur notre route
Face à face avec la douleur;
Quand l'avenir n'a plus de charmes
Qui fassent désirer demain,
Et que l'amertume des larmes
Est le seul goût de notre pain;
C'est alors que ta voix s'élève
Dans le silence de mon cœur,
Et que ta main, mon Dieu ! soulève
Le poids glacé de ma douleur.
On sent que ta tendre parole
À d'autres ne peut se mêler,
Seigneur ! et qu'elle ne console
Que ceux qu'on n'a pu consoler.
Ton bras céleste nous attire
Comme un ami contre son cœur,
Le monde, qui nous voit sourire,
Se dit : D'où leur vient ce bonheur?
Et l'âme se fond en prière
Et s'entretient avec les cieux,
Et les larmes de la paupière
Sèchent d'elles-même à nos yeux,
Comme un rayon d'hiver essuie,
Sur la branche ou sur le rocher,
La dernière goutte de pluie
Qu'aucune ombre n'a pu sécher.
Translations:
Fall, quiet tears,
On a ground without pity;
Either between pious hands,
Nor on the centre of the friendship!
Fall like an arid rain
Who flashes back on the rock,
That no ray of the sky ensues,
That no breath does not come to dry.
What imports with these men my brothers
The heart broken of unhappy?
Too much above my miseries,
My misfortune is so far from them!
Never undoubtedly some tears
Will not darken for them the sky;
Their future does not have alarms,
Their cut will not have gall.
Never this frivolous crowd
Who passes while laughing in front of me
Only one word will need
He says: I cry with you!
Eh well! let me not seek unceasingly any more
The vain pity of the human ones;
We of my sadness nourish,
And let me hide my face in my hands.
At the hour when the solitary heart
Wrap itself in a black crepe,
And nothing any more the ground waits,
Widow of her last hope;
When the friendship which forgets it
Is diverted of its way,
That its last stick, which folds,
Breaks and tears its hand;
When the weak man, and who fears
Contagion of misfortune,
Us only leaves on our road
Face to face with the pain;
When the future does not have any more charms
Who make wish tomorrow,
And that bitterness of the tears
Is the only taste of our bread;
At this point in time your voice rises
In the silence of my heart,
And how your hand, my God! raise
The frozen weight of my pain.
It is felt that your tender word
With others cannot mix,
Lord! and that it does not comfort
That those which one could not comfort.
Your celestial arm attracts us
Like a friend against his heart,
The world, which sees us smiling,
Says itself: From where does this happiness come to them?
And the heart is based in prayer
And discusses with the skies,
And tears of the eyelid
Dry of they-even in our eyes,
Like a ray of winter ensues,
On the branch or the rock,
The last drop of rain
That no shade could dry.
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Everyone in this room seems to like Rachmaninoff a lot...
me to. :)
My favorite pieces of all time that move me to tears:
In no order:
Beethoven cello sonata no. 4 2nd movement (g major theme, so pure and fragile, like a prayer)
Goldberg variations (i don't cry but feel moved)
Brahms f minor sonata 2nd mvmt only...the rest makes me feel constipated.
Prokofiev second violin concerto...second mvmt has an amazing theme. Heifetz recording great...
Faure requiem...any faure requiem fans out there?
Beethoven op. 109, 110, 111, 4th concerto
Schubert b-flat posth. sonata. Unbelievable... moments musicaux
Schumann Davidsbundler, Schumann Fantasie.
Cello concerto 2nd mvmt
Gosh, the list keeps going on...I love it all I guess...
Rachmaninoff cello sonata, 2nd piano concerto,
Bach f minor keyboard concerto second mvmt...
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The Rach 3...
Faure's Requiem indeed.... Mozart's and Verdi's too.... oh, and Brahms'.
and I also get very moved by the f minor chopin concerto....
and the list goes on...
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Beethoven had once held a small piano concert in which he played some of his own sonatas. After the concert, Beethoven looked over the auditorium, and saw people who were touched crying in their seats. He suddenly bursted into laughter, and said, "How foolish you guys are!"
Beethoven laughed because he thought that music is all about cultivating; a well-educated and refined man would not have cried for any sorts of music
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Hahah way to go good ol' Ludwig.
Anyways, pieces that have made me cry (I wasn't fighting it either):
Liszt's Totentanz
Rachmaninoff's 3rd
There are probably others but those two had biggest impact on me in the ways of pushing the right buttons if you know what I mean.
Ravel's Jeaux d'eau is beautiful too, and Liszt's 12. hungarian rhapsody, to mention a few.
To my experience, modern music sounds more rational whereas romantic draws out one's emotions. This image is only strengthened by the what Prokofiev's persona was according to what I've read. He was cool, and kind of calculating, a lot unlike his countryman Shostakovich for example.
This might get some people off their chairs, but I think Rachmaninoff's 3rd concerto is kind of classical pop, the way it handles emotions is very straight forward and it communicates with the listener on a relatively primitive level. By no means "primitive" here equals anything negative, but something that's been built-in in us humans. The concerto almost tells you to react in a certain way, it forces these landscapes in your mind. Rachmaninoff was said to be especially good at composing short pieces, like his preludes, cause he could fit a lot of thought and emotion within seemingly small frames. The third concerto appears to be probably the greatest monument of this, as the emotion that its packed with, seems to conquer the actual frame. Its like an explosive of imagery - huge potential that's been "imprisoned" in small space, only waiting to be released by the listener's ability to feel.
I found this topic interesting, usually piano boards are full of "What's the fastest piece for piano?!" or "What's the hardest piece!?". Its sad to find people who have forgotten the meaning of music.
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I think that instead of the word primitive, you should have said that the music appeals to our primal instincts. I personally think that the Rach 3 is mindblowing! But I see what you mean. The Rach 3 communicates with the listner on a very basic, primal, intuitive level... You're right, to some extent...
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Well put.
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why, thank you.
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It depends - what kind of cry do you mean?
For me, Bach's music is so spiritually profound that i cry from joy.
Rachmaninoff and Tchaik's music is so depressing and beautiful i cry from the expressiveness of it.
But John Cage's music is sooooo stupid i cry for the lack of beauty in modern music.
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I cry for the lack to beauty in modern music too. :(
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You're very narrow minded then... There is beauty in any music... There is beauty in sound on its own...
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Always listen to music with an open mind - Ruth Slenczynska
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O man... song that makes my cry the most would have to be good ol' hot cross buns =p
- Just playing, I have never cried over music... unless im trying to learn a Liszt run or something... then i cry of simple agony! . But I do love the middle section of Rachmaninoff's Prelude in C# Minor... i think thats what it is lol.
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no beauty in modern music ?
does that mean there is no beauty in Berg's music
i dont know if beauty is the right word, but every time i hear Berg's violin concerto i am really moved.
and there are a lot of modern pieces that are really moving and beautiful.
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Rach's Paganini Rhapsody 18th Var. :'(
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I would say Rach 2 is the reason I stayed a pianist...I still remember first time I heard it in live performence I promised myself I wouldn`t stop playing until I would perform this piece... So thanks to Rachmaninov today I`m a pianist...and guess who I play the most?:) Rachmaninov:)
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I love that concerto too.... and I can't wait till the day I can perform it.... even if I have to perform it with a piano accompaniment instead of an orchestra.... it'd be more for my pleasure than for the audience's anyways......
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Debussey's Claire de Lune made me cry. because I hated it.
Czerny used to make me cry when I was 5.
But I'm in my romantic composers period so go Polonaises! and the g m. ballade! and of course Schubert's gb impromptu!
Gosh I need a muffin
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oh yeah clair de lune was in music at school last year our 'let's lie in bed and cry' piece during stressful times!
also chopin's noturne no20 in c# minor makes me pretty sad, that has the influence of it being in film adaption of Wladysaw Szpilman's (is that how you spell it??) novel 'The pianist' which makes me wanna cry every time i read it
also has anyone heard the music from the film 'gattaca' by michael nyman? that's beautiful i feel like crying when listening to the theme song from it.
can't think of anything else specifically right now but there are others
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I saw gattaca. Great movie. I really thought the ending was sad, when Jude Law kills himself..sniff..
I was watching the Great Pianists of the twentieth century video, and I nearly cried at the very end while Claudio Arrau was playing that Beethoven Sonata (now which one was that...)
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There are a handfull of pieces that have actually moved myself to tears when I play them:
CHOPIN: Scherzo No.2 in Bb minor, Op.31
LISZT: Sonetto 104 del Petrarca; Il Lamento; Un Sospiro
There are lots of other very touching piano works:
BEETHOVEN:
Sonatas: Pathetique (1,2); Les Adieux (2)
Concerto: No.4 (1)
CHOPIN:
Nocturnes 1, 2, 13, 19 (, 20)
Sonatas No.2 & 3 (1,3)
Ballade No.1, 4
Etude Op.25 No.1, 5, 11 (lyrical section), 12
Concertos No.1 & 2 (1,3)
LISZT:
Hungarian Rhapsody No.5 (Hero's Elegy)
Mazeppa (lyrical section), Ricordanza, Harmonies du Soir (Transcendental No.4, 9, 11)
Funerailles (lyrical section)
Sonetto 47, 123 del Petrarca
Apres un Lecture du Dante (lyrical section)
Liebestraumes 1-3
Sonata in B minor (lyrical section)
Aux cypres de la Villa d'Este - Threnody I (Annees de Pelerinage III, No.2)
Aux cypres de la Villa d'Este - Threnody II (Annees de Pelerinage III, No.3)
Concerto No.2 in A
BRAHMS:
Intermezzo Op.117 No.2
Piano Concerto No.2 Op.83 (1)
ST. SAENS: Piano Concerto No.2 in G minor Op.22 (1)
RACHMANINOFF:
Polichinelle Op.3 No.4 (lyrical section)
Prelude in G minor Op.23 No.5 (lyrical section)
Etude Tableaux Op.39 No.5 (what a sombre "threnody"!)
Concerto No.2 in C minor Op.18 (whole work, but especially Movements 1,2);
I don't have a thing about the Rachmaninoff No.3.
DEBUSSY: La plus que lente
RAVEL: Concerto in G (1)
ALKAN: Concerto for Solo Piano (1: Op.39 No.8)
ADDINSELL (Richard): Warsaw Concerto (I think this is one of the rarities in a way that it has emerged from film music into classical music status)
Some touching non-piano works:
TCHAIKOVSKY: Violin Concerto in D, Op.35(1)
By the way I never had a thing about his Piano Concerto No.1 Op.23
MENDELSSOHN: Violin Conerto
BRUCH: Scottish Fantasy
MASSENET: Meditation from Thais
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Well when i feel bad when i play the nocturne no. 20 of chopin i allways cry...and i allready made cry someone playing this. And same when i feel happy, it give me goosebumps!
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Some songs from Nobou Uematsu, Final Fantasy piano collection, puts a tear in my eye.. the reflective sad stuff
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i have an obsession with scriabin's etude op. 8 no. 12 at this moment
i listened to horowitz/ argerich versions of it.
i think my life's complete
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One piece that comes to mind is Schumann's
"Widmung".
I don't think so much that it sounds sad, I just find it so awesomely beautiful that it moves me to tears.
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For years Chopin nocturne 20 in c#minor would unfailingly bring me to tears every time I heard it. It is profoundly sad and at the same time so powerfully lucid, lively and unresigned that it is heartbraking.
I found the russian pianist Sofronitzky playing of it especially moving.
Schumann Widmung, yes! played by Paderewsky on Perl's historical recording. It has a peacefull, timeless quality.
Some of JS Bach Prel & Fugues as played by Tatianna Nikolayeva and one of the English suite played by Glenn Gould (F# min?). (It has to be those perfomers!)
The Beethoven sonata played by Claudio Arrau (great pianist of the XXth century video) is the Op. 111 last movmt. But to me Op. 110 is the one and the Waldstein.
I read a similar anecdote to the one about Beethoven but about Chopin bursting into laughter satisfied that he had brought tears into his friends eyes by his playing. He then said to them "That was nothing!".
In his debut concert in Germany he would ask several of his friend to spread in the audience and observe the public reaction to his playing to give him an account of it later.
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The Beethoven sonata played by Claudio Arrau (great pianist of the XXth century video) is the Op. 111 last movmt.
YES!!! that's it. I found a recording of Pollini doing it, and I didnt feel the same way.-too mechanical and controlled. When Arrau does it, I can feel the tears coming on.
donjuan
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These pieces don't generally move me to tears all the time but I do get that feeling of being some how "outside of this world" and in a different place emotionally, it's like the world kind of closes in and all I can really be aware of is the music! (if that doesn't sound stupid and makes some sort of sense!)
Brahms symphonies,
Debussy images, preludes, la mer and nocturnes,
Beethoven symphonies (3,5,6,7,9 in particular), concertos 4/2 and 5/2,
Sibelius symphonies 1,2,5,6,
Thaikovsky symphonies,
loads of others that would take ages to list.........! :)
I agree about the Arrau, it is superb and probably the best interpretation that you'll hear of that piece, I bought the DVD of him playing the whole piece, as well as Schumann concerto and carnaval and Soloman playing the appassionata, unfortunately it wont play on my computer! :( :(
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Hello.. i jus want to know what rach 1rach2 or rach3 is i keep hearing about them but i dont know rachmaninovv well enough ... tell me so i can find the music thx
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Hello.. i jus want to know what rach 1rach2 or rach3 is i keep hearing about them but i dont know rachmaninovv well enough ... tell me so i can find the music thx
"Rach 3" is a shortcut for "Rachmaninoff Piano Concerto No. 3"
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I somehow felt touched, but didn't cry in Brahms PC No 1. The theme transposed to the minor key sounds so meltingly warm :-[
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Anyone Brahms first violin and piano sonata ?
It does not put me in tears but leaves me astonished and haunted by the incomparable beauty of some passages in the first movmt.
If you like Brahms you have to listen to this.
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I only think I've ever shed a tear once while listening to music; it was the second movement of Prokofiev's Sonata #7. To me, that movement is incredibly profound, and sadly powerful.
However, as for music that has deeply moved me, and that I could have cried to, that would apply to several Scriabin etudes and preludes, alot of Rachmaninoff, the Berg Sonata, some passages of Violette's Seventh Sonata, Godowsky's Passacaglia, the Chopin Scherzi, a Sorabji transcendental etude (unfortunately, I forget which one, but it was very deep when I heard it performed), Prokofiev's Eighth sonata, some of the Liszt consolations, Ravel's Le Gibet, some Medtner. Actually, some of the vocals, and simple whistles and drums that accompany native american music can be powerfully melancholy. I wish they could be reproduced on a piano. To me, the most deeply moving pieces have a sort of stark, detached sound. They give a feeling of desolation rather than intimate sadness.
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I agree with the Liszt Consolations. I love consolation No.2 played by Horowitz. It is even better than Horowitz's No.3
donjuan
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Some Schubert melodies are very touching...
Like his theme in his Opus 142 Bb inmpromptu (which was used in a few of his compositions).
Another beautiful melody is that of his Winterreise cycle.
The first song is very haunting but beautiful.
Also chopin's feuneral march from his sonata gives me the creeps sometimes, but he middle section moves me to tears... :'(
-Tony-
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I meant the first sonata Op. 38 for CELLO and piano
(not violin and piano) from Brahms.
Sorry.
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I have to admit that Rachmaninov's second concerto is full of meloncholy. Tchaikovsky's sixth symphony (Pathetique) I believe tops this as far as sadness goes.
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Scriabin etude op 42 n°5
scriabin etude op 2 n°1
scriabin piano concert (1st and 3d movement)
Rach etude op 39 n°5
scriabin nocturne for left hand
Tchaicovskij violin concert (1st movement)
and many others :,(
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The piece that holds the most emotion for me is Gorecki's 3d Symphony... When the vocalist reaches the climax of her song in the first movement, the orchestra enters with this soaring melody, except that it's really eight or so melodies atop one another. It is truly beautiful, and I rarely listen to the piece because it is so emotional for me. (And also because the first movement is a half hour long.)
Also, there is much to be said for the second movement of Grieg's piano concerto.
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I also get all teary-eyed when I hear Chopin's funeral march.
It just seems to sum up losing a loved one.
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I also get all teary-eyed when I hear Chopin's funeral march.
It just seems to sum up losing a loved one.
I couldn't agree more on that!
Bachs Air always a tear to eye. It reminds me of my childhood.
Also Chopins Raindrop Prelude really moves me.
Nocturne in B flat minor, E flat and C minor (op48) and number 20 are pieces that also move me deep inside.
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Adagio - Rach. no 2 in E minor.
"Dusk" - Armstrong Gibbs (personal recollections associated with).
The late great Bill Evans playing "Here's That Rainy Day".
Judy Garland singing "Over The Rainbow".
Coates' "Dambusters March".
Any slow nightclubbish version of "I'll Be Seeing You".
"Somewhere" from West Side Story.
"Who Wants To Live Forever" - Freddie Mercury and Queen.
"Romeo and Juliet" - Peter Tchaikovsky.
Or when I personally play:
"Legend" - Robert Docker.
"Meditation" - Massanet.
(my dinner jazz version of) - "When You Wish Upon A Star" - "Alice In Wonderland".
It's all down to your memory, how long you've lived and tasted this old world!
I'd just say to anyone, don't create barriers between different 'types' of music. You young piano players are SPECIAL people, and you will be for the rest of your lives. Just listen, listen, listen - there's a whole world of fabulous music out there . . .
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Have you guys heard Elgar's Cello Concerto? The first movement will move anyone to tears. The theme from his Enigma Variations is pretty emotional too (maybe that's why the Matrix used that theme). Rachmaninoff is my favorite by far, however. Another lesser known piece is Villa-Lobo's first piano concerto. The theme is hauntingly beautiful.
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I think I almost cried listening to Les Preludes by Liszt...
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rachmaninoff's elegie moves me to tears... :'(
also the rach 2...
middle section of schubert's klavierstucke no. 1
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I don't think I've ever actually shed actual tears while listening to music...well...becauase of it at least. But the 1st Movement cadenza of the Rach3 comes close and strangely enough the Contrapunctus I from Bach's the Art of the Fugue does as well.
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I, too, never cry while listening to music, but occasionally I find myself immersed in the music (usually while I'm playing it), and I get a goose bumb feeling, its wierd. Here are a few examples of peices that do this to me when having played them on the piano or in the orhcestra:
Chopin:
Bercuese in Db
some of his Nocturnes, Particularly the Op. 55 ones
Mendelssohn:
Hebrides Overture (such a good orchestral work, even for people who don't really like mendelssohn in general)
Brahms:
Various intermezzi
Rhapsody in Gm
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Mendelssohn's Piano Trio in D minor
Mendelssohn's Hebrides Overture (agreeing with Abe)
Bach's Bist Du Bei Mir
Mozart's "Sull'aria" from Figaro
Pergolesi's Stabat Mater (Quando Corpus Morietur)
Chopin's E minor concerto, 2nd movement
Leslie's Cape Breton Lullaby
Rach 2 and his Rhapsody
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I, too, never cry while listening to music, but occasionally I find myself immersed in the music (usually while I'm playing it), and I get a goose bumb feeling, its wierd. Here are a few examples of peices that do this to me when having played them on the piano or in the orhcestra:
Yes, I have that same exact feeling! Like a tingly sensation, because it is so beautiful! La Valse, Rach 2, and Les Preludes all do that to me, plus a few others.
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Medner a minor sonata (expecially the refrain)
Beethoven Late sonatas
Schubert Late sonata in A and his last one in Bb have some of the most heartrenching material I believe. ( they were written when he knew he was dying)
Of course -- Rachmaninoff and Scriabin, even some Prokofiev!
In the first movement of the Schumann Fantasie there is an eight or so measure phrase which I understand is supposed to represent Clara. It is an unbelievably short musical idea, but every time I think of the Fantasie I think of this phrase
As far as pianists go I believe Emil Giles could make me cry playing Mozart's sonata in C.
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Well, this isn't a piano work, but I got to sing the Brahms Requiem with a full chorus and orchestra, and about halfway through the second movement, it all kind of overwhelmed me (and by "it" I mean the music, and the words, and the experience, and everything!) and I was definitely choked up, and only avoided breaking completely down by sheer force of will. Because then there would have been mascara everywhere, and my nose would have started snotting all over everything, and it just would not have been pretty. ;) But it was an incredible experience. Whenever I listen to a recording of the Requiem, the second movement STILL gets me.
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Besides what's been mentioned, Rachmaninoff's Cello Sonata in G minor Op. 19 is a wonderful piece of music. I don't like the 4th movement quite as much as the first three, but it is a fairly neglected piece, and should get listened to more often. The piano accompaniment is also fairly difficult - it's closer to a concerto than a Sonata to be quite honest.
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Besides what's been mentioned, Rachmaninoff's Cello Sonata in G minor Op. 19 is a wonderful piece of music. I don't like the 4th movement quite as much as the first three, but it is a fairly neglected piece, and should get listened to more often. The piano accompaniment is also fairly difficult - it's closer to a concerto than a Sonata to be quite honest.
I quite agree. it's Rachmaninoff at his most......well Rachmaninoff, I suppose!! Does anyone realise that he also wrote a string quartet?! (unfinished though I think..)
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Everyone is forgetting La Divina Comedia Symphony by Franz Liszt. By far one of the most beautiful pieces of music ever written along with Faures Requiem.
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-I don't think I cried during our performance of Faurè's Requiem. However, I believe it to be one of the most touching moments I have ever participated in.
- Of course, the second movement of Rach2 is pherhaps cryable.
- I once cried during a performance of some of the Norwegian composer Knut Nystedt's Motets, amongst them 'Peace I leave With You'.
- The more famous norwegian composer, Edvard Grieg, has composed a set of psalms which used to make me cry. Now I rather get a nostalgic set of goosebumps. Also, if played well, the Notturno from Lyric Pieces Op. 54 can make a man cry.
- Another Norwegian noone has heard of, Ludvig Irgens-Jensen's 'Heimferd' has a movement which continously gives me bumps all over.
- I also had an awakening with Stravinsky's Symphony of Psalms' second movement where the choir enters. And from his ballet, Apollo, The first movement, and of course, Pulcinella. First and Second movement. Lovely!
- Another Norwegian(sorry about that...It's just fantastic music. You should probably check it out), Geirr Tveitt, has a piano concerto, I think it's no 1, which never tire me. It's so beautiful I could cry.
- What else...Of course! The first movement from Alfred Schnittke's Requiem made me cry. It was a tough period, though.. Maby cheating.
- The Gymnopedies of Eric Satie..
- Pergolesi's Stabat Mater
- Mozart's Requiem (Of Course!)
- Some pieces by Arvo Pärt
- Nessun Dorma from Puccini's Turandot used to make me cry when I was Little
- Also, Faurè's Pavane is a great brying-piece
- A set of Chopin's Nocturnes could at least turn me down
- I was so lucky to participate in a performans of Leonard Bernstein's Chichester Psalms. The second Movement has a part for boy soprano which is repeated in the girls choir.
- I don't know where to stop. I've figured there is so much beautiful music out there. Not only classical music. Certain tunes within Pop/Rock or Jazz inspires to crying just as much as classical music. I just hope that I'll get to experience as much as possible. That I won't miss something important...
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-I thought I'd continue with some very important missed ones. Bartòk's 3rd Piano Concerto and parts of his Orchestra Concerto.
- Of all the atonal works out there...I think Alban Berg's Violin Concerto could make me sad
- A Cappella music is quite so wonderful, I think. My former teacher, composer and pianist/organist Wolfgang Plagges work 'Liknarbraut' Is great. In a lovely way. Also certain works of Poulenc (Une Soir de Neige, Figure Humaine) move me.
- But to be frankly honest. If I should have a prize for the most beautiful work ever written. Then I would sit down for a while and think. Then I would propose the Passio Domini Nostri Jesu Christi Mathaeum. In English called Bach's St Matthew Passion (I think). Movements like 'Erbarme Dich' really makes you physically cry. You should also try to play the Prelude in Ebm from book 1 of WTC. Some people also brag about the Brandenburger Concertos, but I don't think too much of them. ut look into some of his cantatas. And Mass in Hm, Christmas Oriatio, St John Passion, Some of his Partitas, The GOLDBERG VARIATIONS, etc, etc
- And the Recitative and Aria at the ending of Dido and Aeneas by Henry Purcell
-I don't have the energy to write more..It'll make me cry sooner or later. So a good night to all of you.
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What would you say about these ?
Ravel, Pavane pour une infante defunte
Ravel, oiseaux tristes, (sad birds)
Poulenc Soirees de Nazelles, (evening at Nazelle)
the piece titled "le coeur sur la main"
which translates best into
"to wear one's heart in one's sleeves"
Prokofiev Sonata 6 second movmt. (saddest ever piece)
Schumann Intermezzo from
Faschinggeschwank aus Wien (so romantic)
These are moving but probably not the points of tears.
For tears, JS Bach comes first. I think it is because the music actually never dwelves into sadness it usually has that resignation to accept pain but you can feel some unyielding faith and beauty and that is what moves me, beauty and strength amidst pain and darkness.
Grieg's Lyric Suite.
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Never really cried, but I've been so amazed at the beauty of a piece that I'm not sure how to react and almost shed a tear in awe. The Waltz Op. 18 No. 1 by Chopin did this to me the first time I heard it (especially the end, it was like everything just coming together so perfectly, I couldn't believe it). So did the Nocturne Op. 9 No. 2. The Nocturne No. 20 in C# Minor gives me chills now because of the story behind it (never saw the Pianist, but my guitar teacher recommended it and I read the background). Waltz Op. 69 No. 2 really hit me hard the first time I heard it, too, it has a very incredible vibe. Of his Etudes, I like Op. 10 No. 4 the best. When I first heard that, it made me feel like I was in the middle of a wild storm. At one point it feels like the noise grows to a monstrous thunder, then vanishes suddenly so that you just hear the rain coming down, then it builds back up. I was so amazed at how vividly I got that scenario out of that piece.
Paganini's 24th Caprice was probably the first piece that really gave me chills.
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Tsegamla
The Waltz op. 18 n1 and the ballade n4 from Chopin are the two compositions he himself prefered (according to his students). This Waltz simple in appearance is incredingly well crafted in every small detail. It is the mark of a genius. Could you answer the following questions ? Do you remember the pianist that you heard for the etude op 10 n4 ? and what "background story" are you talking about concerning the nocturne N20. are you talking about the film "the pianist" or a real life story involving Chopin ?
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Tsegamla
The Waltz op. 18 n1 and the ballade n4 from Chopin are the two compositions he himself prefered (according to his students). This Waltz simple in appearance is incredingly well crafted in every small detail. It is the mark of a genius.
I'm not surprised. It's amazing. I'm a little surprised that Chopin didn't like Etude Op. 10 No. 5, though (Black Key).
Do you remember the pianist that you heard for the etude op 10 n4 ?
I have an *.mp3 that says it's by Vladimir Horowitz, but I don't know how accurate that it is, since it was downloaded on KaZaA (they often mislabel stuff). I'm not familiar with a lot of composers or concert pianists or antyhing, but isn't Horowitz supposed to be pretty old now? It might not be him. Could be an old recording though. The *.mp3 is titled "Chopin - Etude Op. 10, No. 4 In C Sharp Minor - horowitz.mp3." It's 1.81 MB and I'd be happy to send it to you over AOL Instant Messenger or email it (if that'll work, I've never had much luck with attachments bigger than pictures though). I don't expect everyone to get out of it what I did, but it really just gave me that vibe (at the 0:50 mark, I can't help but think rain).
and what "background story" are you talking about concerning the nocturne N20. are you talking about the film "the pianist" or a real life story involving Chopin ?
The film "The Pianist." I like WWII, took a WWII class, sat in on a Holocaust class, watch the History Channel a lot, etc. Assuming you haven't seen it...
"I played Chopin's Nocturne in C sharp minor. The glassy, tinkling sound of the untuned strings rang through the empty flat and the stairway, floated through the ruins of the villa on the other side of the street and returned as a muted, melancholy echo. When I had finished, the silence seemed even gloomier and more eerie than before. A cat mewed in the street somewhere. I heard a shot down below outside the building - a harsh, loud German noise."
- Wladyslaw Szpilman, The Pianist
"September 1, 1939, and when enemy bombardment forced the closing of Polish State Radio, Szpilman's performance of Chopin's C sharp minor Nocturne was the last live music broadcast."
Basically, the sadness of the piece coupled with image of what it's ushering in was and is really powerful to me.
EDIT: Even before I knew the story behind it, I thought that Nocturne was the saddest one, so I was really amazed at the eerieness of the Szpilman event.
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I'm not familiar with a lot of composers or concert pianists or antyhing, but isn't Horowitz supposed to be pretty old now?.
Horowitz is dead, has been for 15 years, which makes this website: https://www.sonyclassical.com/artists/horowitz_vladimir/ , particularly comic and eerie.
Join Vladimir Horowitz's mailing list to stay up-to-date on all the latest news, tour info, contest announcements, and more!
The ones that need an update are them.
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Tsegamla,
No, I was just curious because I have heard lots of average recordings of that etude but I am sure Horrowitz could do justice to it.
I have not seen the movie "The pianist" so your answer was very helpfull, thanks. I personnally like to think of compositions in terms of their composer and their time so the large use of Chopin's music in that film is not something I praise, unless the movie itself had been about Chopin. That's my opinion, I know most people would disagree.
I feel the same way about nocturne 20 as you. It has intimate saddness and pure honnesty.
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The reason for the drastic use of Chopin music in that film was because of, naturally, the fact that Szpielman was Polish. As Chopin is the most known composer of Poland (Except for more "modern" music such as Penderecki), has a great (and large) set of literature for piano and Szpielman played piano, it's quite so natural to focus on him. The music, though it has become quite international, is reflecting the nation Poland and it's inhabitants. Which is good, because the movie itself is (partly) about, or focuses on, Poland.
The movie shows on Szpilman as a Chopin-expert:
"..Noone plays Chopin like you.."..(a quote from the film).
With this in mind, the severe use of Chopin is, if not praisable, at least entitled. It would feel unnatural or weird if i.e. Liszt or Mendelsohn would pop up in the movie. I think.
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Certainly, I agree it was an excellent choice to choose some of Chopin's music in that film for the good reasons you mentioned. There is nothing wrong either with Spilzmann being presented as a great Chopin interpreter (altough the fact that it is not even his playing that we hear in the film is quite revolting in itself and the necessity of matching image to sound is hardly an acceptable excuse) but this films relies to much on Chopin's music without giving tribute where tribute is due and by that I mean Chopin not "the pianist". I regret that Chopin's music is tied to that film in such an exclusive way. Imagine for example that an american tobbaco company or car manufacturer decided to use Frank Sinatra (an american famous singer) in all TV commercials and let's assume they become very succeffull as a result of it. Can they do it ? Sure they can. Is it right ? Well, They couldn't care less as long as it worked for them. This is how I feel about this film to a lesser extend.
Also I don't think that the "best known" polish music had to be the logical choice for a film that reflects partly on the history of Poland. There are other Polish composers of piano music who could have well supplemented Chopin's music:
How about Scharwenka's Polish National Dances ?
Szymanowski's Preludes ?
Moszkowski's etudes ?
What about Henryk Wieniawski, Eugeniusz Pankiewicz, Brzezinski, Ludomir Rozycki, Lucian Kamienski, Witold Lutoslawski, Henryk Gorecki, Romuald Twardowski, Marian Borkowski, Maria Olszewska ?
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There are other Polish composers of piano music who could have well supplemented Chopin's music:
How about Scharwenka's Polish National Dances ?
Szymanowski's Preludes ?
Moszkowski's etudes ?
What about Henryk Wieniawski, Eugeniusz Pankiewicz, Brzezinski, Ludomir Rozycki, Lucian Kamienski, Witold Lutoslawski, Henryk Gorecki, Romuald Twardowski, Marian Borkowski, Maria Olszewska ?
Because Chopin is very well known, that's the point of it, whether it be a good reason or not to use it. In my opinion it works well in the context of the film, it is effective and suits the mood very well. You have to bear in mind the sort of audience that this film was aimed at, it wasn't just for people who know and like classical music but also for people who don't, therefore maybe they thought that Chopin was the best one to go with as people tend to warm very quickly to Chopins' extremly poetic music, not saying that the others' mentioned didn't write beautiful music, but just a possible reason.
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chopin and beethoven
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There are other Polish composers of piano music who could have well supplemented Chopin's music:
How about Scharwenka's Polish National Dances ?
Szymanowski's Preludes ?
Moszkowski's etudes ?
What about Henryk Wieniawski, Eugeniusz Pankiewicz, Brzezinski, Ludomir Rozycki, Lucian Kamienski, Witold Lutoslawski, Henryk Gorecki, Romuald Twardowski, Marian Borkowski, Maria Olszewska ?
One must consider this 'film music' as it is used for film. Not that there's no other Polish composer. After the second World War, in th 50-60s, Poland had a striking new wave of successful composers, most known are Penderecki, Gorecki, Wienawski, Lutoslawski, and so on. Cultural geniouses seemed to pop out of every corner. Maby because of the oppression during World War 2, however that's not the discussion. As these composers were aquainted to their time, they didn't bother to compose romantic pieces. Their music is more...modern, which means that most people would't like it, especially not on a film (unless it's a horror movie :P).
As for Xaver and Phillip Scharwenka. They're not actually Polish as Posen, at their time, was a Part of the Preussian Empire which became Germany soon after. Pluss the fact that they moved to Berlin in their youth. I'm not aquainted to his Polish National Dances, though. I cannot judge wether they'd fit in the movie or not.
I don't really know why, however Chopins music fits so extremely well in this title. Of course, they have made a quite so handsome selection. The Nocturne in C#, the Ballad in Gm and the Grande Polonaise all plays their own key role in the story. Whereas the music fits very well.
Also, I really cannot see why you'd ever critisize the music of the movie. Because it's so perfect it almost seems it was created for the motion picture. It's also said, however, that Szpilman himself mostly enjoyed Chopin as something to 'fall back on in difficult times'. I don't know if it's true, though.
And last, Chopin is, without doubt, the most know composer of Poland, and the only one famous enough to be recognized by the general public. Which makes him uniqe, and a number one choice for connecting music with Poland at all. With a general public.
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Rachamninoff
Works for One Piano 6 hands
Concerto no. 2 I believe the second movement
Brahms
Raspody in G minor Op. 79 no.2
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Has anyone heard the Berlioz Requiem? It's beautiful...
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I love many of the pieces already mentioned, but nothing I have found moves me in quite the same way as the Nimrod movement from Elgar's Enigma Variations.
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has anyone heard the 2nd movement from schubert's 2nd piano trio in Eb?
quite a few people may have dicovered it, like i did, from watching the movie 'the piano teacher'.
it is absolutely stunning, the rhythm that starts it off and is used throughout is really unqiue, i completely agree with this review :
''The Andante second movement's main theme is a kind of proto-tango, a brooding melody first played by the cello with a wonderfully balletic accompaniment in the piano (the two instruments later swap roles as the piano takes the melody and the violin joins the accompaniment - a trick which often returns throughout the work). Here as in the first movement, the players' modesty is almost self-effacing. The strings take a particularly polite approach, and I found myself longing for the odd lapse of good taste to carry me out of the atmosphere of the Edwardian drawing room.
However, the rigid control of tempo and phrasing pays off in the dramatic climax of the Andante, where a series of tremolos reach an enormous passionate crescendo in a weird corner of the late-Schubert harmonic landscape, and the violence is all the more powerful for the restraint which precedes it.''
listen to the 2nd sample(the andante) from here -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/music/classical/reviews/schubert_florestan.shtml
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hi all, there are several pieces from several composer that move me to tears, but the most emotive piece for me is the andante, third movement, of rachmaninoff cello sonata in G minor. i can't believe that melodie to be that beautiful, what do you say?
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I absolutely LOVE piano transcriptions, perhaps why I am so partial to Liszt, and thusly I like any kind of epic sturcture and developed theme. It is so hard to find in music in general, much less to move one to tears. In any mood, Liszt's Tannhauser Overture and Norma transcriptions can bring me to tears
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Chopin's Mazurka in A minor Op.17, No.4. So poetic, so melancholy, so tear-jerking...
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Dvorak :) His 9th symphony is wonderful..
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I would have to say the Nocturnes of Chopin, in particular the op.9,2 and the op.posth. in c# minor.
also the third movement of chopin's second sonata( marche funebre)
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Brahms 118-2 :'(
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Puccini's "Crisantemi" for String quartet definitely does me in. It just tears me apart.