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Piano Board => Audition Room => Topic started by: fredericfrancoischopin on January 11, 2010, 10:03:14 PM
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sechs ecossaisen WoO 83 by LUdwig van Beethoven(1770-1827)
tomorrow i will upload much better version, attempting this piece after 6 months of not playing it.
approximate time of playing: 2.46 - which is way to slow in my humble opinion
(my favourite version is from Evgeny Kissin(2.05) or Paul Skoda(2.15 ) )
Bernard :)
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sechs ecossaisen WoO 83 by LUdwig van Beethoven(1770-1827)
tomorrow i will upload much better version, attempting this piece after 6 months of not playing it.
approximate time of playing: 2.46 - which is way to slow in my humble opinion
(my favourite version is from Evgeny Kissin(2.05) or Paul Skoda(2.15 ) )
Bernard :)
this is newer version of my playing attempt of ecossaisen
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tomorrow i will upload much better version, attempting this piece after 6 months of not playing it.
OH GOD... So you once again try this piece after not playing it for 6 months??? And considering I gave you a link to the imslp . org only 16 hours ago... you once again try this piece???
Okay - Honestly - the first 10 seconds were fairly stable... better than some of your other recordings and I'm going by the 2nd recording in your 2nd post here... then after those 10 seconds if all fell apart like a soggy sandwich. Your timing just became awful and there were parts where you weren't even sure of what you were playing while the RH just fiddled along aimlessly.
HERE'S what you do - spent all of January on this work and THEN post a recording of it??? Show us you are committed to refining your piano skills... because THEN me and a lot of the other users might take you a little more seriously.
Because if you continue to spend 3 hours learning a piece before you decided to mangle the poor bastard of a work... then you will NEVER... NEVER... EVER become a pianist (even in an amateur sense) and will continue to string out a load of performances that are just poor...
Think about this - I started learning the 4 pieces below (in my sig.) in MARCH '09 and will be practicing and performing them till SEP '10 !!!
18 months - but it's worth it... because a professional works until it's of a high standard.
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I think you were brave to record this piece and post it here~~
But, I commend you for your efforts though.
I think the the right hand parts do need to be more smooth and even so work
on that alone for awhile until your fingers adapt to the fingering patterns...
It's a real nice piece to listen to, just keep it light.
And practice the parts that are not as clear and it will sound better :)
best wishes,
go12_3
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I think you were brave to record this piece and post it here~~
But, I commend you for your efforts though.
I think the the right hand parts do need to be more smooth and even so work
on that alone for awhile until your fingers adapt to the fingering patterns...
It's a real nice piece to listen to, just keep it light.
And practice the parts that are not as clear and it will sound better :)
best wishes,
go12_3
thank you Eva. its better than 6 months ago. But perfect_pitch is just too perfect ;D ;D
Well-i will play all that pieces i am currently studying with teacher again-and i am not worried at all what pitch has to say,i am only 3 years and 5 months at piano and pieces will go much better. I am confident and so is my piano playing.
Bernard
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But perfect_pitch is just too perfect ;D ;D... // ...i am not worried at all what pitch has to say,i am only 3 years and 5 months at piano and pieces will go much better.
REALLY??? You think I'm too perfect? Let me enlighten you... (Believe me - it's worth the read)
I started piano when I was 9 years old - pretty late for someone who wanted to become a concert pianist and although my parents pushed me into doing piano, after 3 months I continued on because I LOVED the piano.
For the next 9 years I spent most of my piano education being instructed by self-taught amateurs who had very little experience when it came to performing and didn't have the ability to refine my musicality... nor did they seem to know what the hell voicing was, correct posture or correct hand-shaping was.
For those 9 years I continued to aim for harder and harder pieces playing them in a rough style - I thought that the respect would come with the pieces I chose to learn, and when I got to university - I realised that name of the pieces didn't mean 'sh*t' if you can't play them well (just think of how many dodgy Rach 3 recordings there - it may be the hardest piece in the world, but it don't mean jack is you play them badly)
For the first 3 years of university, I had to try and re-learn how I approached a piece of music and to try to slow down and aim for clarity over speed... And I slowly managed to do it.
Thinking I was close to playing in a clean manner, I told my teacher that I wanted to sit the Licentiate exam for Piano (AMEB) in 2006. I probably learnt the 4 hardest pieces on the list - The Bartok Improvisations, Chopin Scherzo No. 1, Francks Prelude, Choral and Fugue and the Liszt Paganini Etude No. 3 in E flat.
I FAILED THE EXAM! and looking back - I deserved to... My teacher told me from the very beginning that I wasn't ready and I ignored her... I pressed on only to fail. It was then that I realised, that I wasn't even close. I then decided to try 4 new pieces and to sit the exam in 2007, but when it came to September, my teacher thought that I could 'possibly' pass but didn't want me to sit it until I was truly ready. I sat the exam in 2008 with yet again - 4 new pieces - The Chopin Ballade No. 2, The Brahms Variations on a theme by Schumann, the Tocatta from Ravels Le Tombeau de Couperin and the Chromatic Fantasia by Bach.
I PASSED after 3 years of continually trying to perfect my playing do a level that was so much cleaner than ever before. I'd say it was good... but not perfect - but I'm still working at it. And just a few weeks after I passed, I listened to a recording of my first attempt and I was disgusted at how I used to play.
Let me be perfectly clear - if you hope to be a performer or to even pass late High School music performance exams... if you play like you did in the recording above - YOU WILL FAIL!!! I KNOW THIS because I have been in your position... that's not a fabrication of the truth, it's just the truth.
And when I look at your signature - I realise that you're just like I was when I was in High school... ambitious... but not the slightest bit ready... yet. The Eccosaise is about Grade 7 level for gods sake and you're trying to tackle it already? Aim for clarity rather than the difficulty - believe me - it's worth it.
If you truly want to refine your skills before it's too late - then do it today. Pick up a Grade 3 or 4 book and try a piece out of there. Aim for cleanliness rather than trying to do it as a rush job and PROVE to YOURSELF that you are capable of playing Music, rather than just notes. It took me 6 years to correct all my bad habits... don't let the same happen to you.
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REALLY??? You think I'm too perfect? Let me enlighten you... (Believe me - it's worth the read)
I started piano when I was 9 years old - pretty late for someone who wanted to become a concert pianist and although my parents pushed me into doing piano, after 3 months I continued on because I LOVED the piano.
For the next 9 years I spent most of my piano education being instructed by self-taught amateurs who had very little experience when it came to performing and didn't have the ability to refine my musicality... nor did they seem to know what the hell voicing was, correct posture or correct hand-shaping was.
For those 9 years I continued to aim for harder and harder pieces playing them in a rough style - I thought that the respect would come with the pieces I chose to learn, and when I got to university - I realised that name of the pieces didn't mean 'sh*t' if you can't play them well (just think of how many dodgy Rach 3 recordings there - it may be the hardest piece in the world, but it don't mean jack is you play them badly)
For the first 3 years of university, I had to try and re-learn how I approached a piece of music and to try to slow down and aim for clarity over speed... And I slowly managed to do it.
Thinking I was close to playing in a clean manner, I told my teacher that I wanted to sit the Licentiate exam for Piano (AMEB) in 2006. I probably learnt the 4 hardest pieces on the list - The Bartok Improvisations, Chopin Scherzo No. 1, Francks Prelude, Choral and Fugue and the Liszt Paganini Etude No. 3 in E flat.
I FAILED THE EXAM! and looking back - I deserved to... My teacher told me from the very beginning that I wasn't ready and I ignored her... I pressed on only to fail. It was then that I realised, that I wasn't even close. I then decided to try 4 new pieces and to sit the exam in 2007, but when it came to September, my teacher thought that I could 'possibly' pass but didn't want me to sit it until I was truly ready. I sat the exam in 2008 with yet again - 4 new pieces - The Chopin Ballade No. 2, The Brahms Variations on a theme by Schumann, the Tocatta from Ravels Le Tombeau de Couperin and the Chromatic Fantasia by Bach.
I PASSED after 3 years of continually trying to perfect my playing do a level that was so much cleaner than ever before. I'd say it was good... but not perfect - but I'm still working at it. And just a few weeks after I passed, I listened to a recording of my first attempt and I was disgusted at how I used to play.
Let me be perfectly clear - if you hope to be a performer or to even pass late High School music performance exams... if you play like you did in the recording above - YOU WILL FAIL!!! I KNOW THIS because I have been in your position... that's not a fabrication of the truth, it's just the truth.
And when I look at your signature - I realise that you're just like I was when I was in High school... ambitious... but not the slightest bit ready... yet. The Eccosaise is about Grade 7 level for gods sake and you're trying to tackle it already? Aim for clarity rather than the difficulty - believe me - it's worth it.
If you truly want to refine your skills before it's too late - then do it today. Pick up a Grade 3 or 4 book and try a piece out of there. Aim for cleanliness rather than trying to do it as a rush job and PROVE to YOURSELF that you are capable of playing Music, rather than just notes. It took me 6 years to correct all my bad habits... don't let the same happen to you.
perfect_pitch thank you for your kindness ,i will listen your advices, i am sure teacher will also give me one 4 grade piece-op.49 no.2 facile sonata by Beethoven probably.
with respect
Bernard
p.s: i learned alot from your words,and i keep learning...
nobody isnt perfect