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Title: Liebestraum No. 3, Liszt
Post by: kantsuiex on April 15, 2012, 09:27:59 AM
Venue: Home
Piano: Yamaha U1 untuned :-[
Recorder: iPhone4 :'(


This piece is important to me so I want to master it very much >:(
I have played it before and hope this time has some emotional and technical progress!
Please leave your valuable comments :)
Title: Re: Liebestraum No. 3, Liszt
Post by: jugular on April 16, 2012, 04:51:15 PM
Great job! This piece is demanding in both technique and expression and you made the contrast between the two quite clear in the piece.

I felt that some parts were choppy during your performance, mainly in the opening theme and its return in the B Major section. The main reason is because you put the big chord stretches in the left hand (the ones that require you to gliss into them) on the beat, which consequently puts the melody on the off-beat. Try starting the big chord stretches before the downbeat so that the last note of the chord and the melody note line-up on the downbeat. This will make the piece sound smoother and more flowing rather than separated. Listen to this recording of Evgeny Kissin playing it and you'll have a better idea of what I'm talking about.


Excellent job on the 2nd cadenza by the way! It was highly proficient in technique.
Title: Re: Liebestraum No. 3, Liszt
Post by: venik on April 16, 2012, 08:31:01 PM
Good job! Just a few quick notes and questions.

Whens the last time the piano was tuned? Sounded pretty out of tune =/. Maybe it was the recording equipment or just me having imperfect pitch.

From a technique point of view your hands look very stiff to me. I just want to say be careful! You might hurt yourself over time. When you play a key, try to tense only the finger you are playing the key with during the strike. And immediately de-tense once your finger weight can hold the key down. This should help not only prevent injury, but allow you to play faster and for longer periods of time consequetively. I.e. I can practice for 3-4 hours straight, however I used to have stiff fingers like you and 30 minutes was exhausting and painful.
Title: Re: Liebestraum No. 3, Liszt
Post by: kantsuiex on April 22, 2012, 01:59:53 PM
Great job! This piece is demanding in both technique and expression and you made the contrast between the two quite clear in the piece.

I felt that some parts were choppy during your performance, mainly in the opening theme and its return in the B Major section. The main reason is because you put the big chord stretches in the left hand (the ones that require you to gliss into them) on the beat, which consequently puts the melody on the off-beat. Try starting the big chord stretches before the downbeat so that the last note of the chord and the melody note line-up on the downbeat. This will make the piece sound smoother and more flowing rather than separated. Listen to this recording of Evgeny Kissin playing it and you'll have a better idea of what I'm talking about.


Excellent job on the 2nd cadenza by the way! It was highly proficient in technique.

Thanks for your listening! I will put more effort for the rhythmic problem you mentioned above.
Evengy Kissin's version is my all-time favorite in youtube!
Actually I still find the first candenza difficult to play fast and soft, any advice? :P
Title: Re: Liebestraum No. 3, Liszt
Post by: kantsuiex on April 22, 2012, 02:02:49 PM
Good job! Just a few quick notes and questions.

Whens the last time the piano was tuned? Sounded pretty out of tune =/. Maybe it was the recording equipment or just me having imperfect pitch.

From a technique point of view your hands look very stiff to me. I just want to say be careful! You might hurt yourself over time. When you play a key, try to tense only the finger you are playing the key with during the strike. And immediately de-tense once your finger weight can hold the key down. This should help not only prevent injury, but allow you to play faster and for longer periods of time consequetively. I.e. I can practice for 3-4 hours straight, however I used to have stiff fingers like you and 30 minutes was exhausting and painful.
Havent been tuned for more than a year :'(

Intentionally relax my fingers actually in the first part.  But found no way to de-tense my fingers when playing fast notes especially in the first candenza....
Yes, you are right, i feel exhausted after playing more than an hour. Any advice=)?
Title: Re: Liebestraum No. 3, Liszt
Post by: benzenering on May 06, 2012, 05:35:53 PM
hey. can see you put in quite a bit effort in terms of clarity and making notes clear.

Your left hand work in the middle section is actually very clear.

However, in many parts of the piece, I feel that it is quite "choppy" (i wouldn't use this word), but rather, disconnected. I may suspect it's your pedal work that doesn't sustain the sound.I think that is the main problem which is (no offence) can be disturbing to listen.

It is probably either you can't join the notes which are far apart (tend to have alot of those in this piece right) or your pedalling isn't doing the job. or maybe you are releasing the pedal at the wrong time.

You have a clear tone of playing the piano but I agree with venik that your fingers look stiff and tense. this becomes clear when you playing the descending left hand arpeggios (u know what im referring too right?). Maybe relax a little ya?