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Title: Help with Chopin scherzo 2 trills
Post by: arceface1 on August 22, 2012, 11:01:47 AM: How does one interpret the trills in the above referenced piece? The first trill marker has a flat sign above it, what does that mean? Is the trill supposed to start on the note or the one above it? More specifically what I am trying to figure out is what notes to play in the trill. The notated fingering is "4535" so that throws me off as well. Any help would be truly appreciated. Thanks in advance for the help.

Here's a picture of one of the passages in question.
(https://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p582/Arceface1/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_6559.jpg)
Title: Re: Help with Chopin scherzo 2 trills
Post by: scherzo123 on August 22, 2012, 05:39:07 PM: Hi! I'm working on this piece too. I just play F, G, and F.
Title: Re: Help with Chopin scherzo 2 trills
Post by: arceface1 on August 22, 2012, 06:40:14 PM: That would make sense if the marker above the trill sign was a natural and not a flat. According to the fingering it would be "FGFG"
Title: Re: Help with Chopin scherzo 2 trills
Post by: scherzo123 on August 22, 2012, 07:33:19 PM: I hear other people play F G F> I could be wrong, but...
Title: Re: Help with Chopin scherzo 2 trills
Post by: arceface1 on August 22, 2012, 07:57:42 PM: F>?? U mean FGF#?
Title: Re: Help with Chopin scherzo 2 trills
Post by: scherzo123 on August 22, 2012, 07:58:33 PM: I meant "period", as in end of sentence.
Title: Re: Help with Chopin scherzo 2 trills
Post by: arceface1 on August 22, 2012, 08:16:01 PM: Thanks for the help!!! I will give it a shot when I get home tonight. Can anyone confirm this or expound on it further??
Title: Re: Help with Chopin scherzo 2 trills
Post by: j_menz on August 23, 2012, 12:06:35 AM: The mark above is a natural sign, not a flat. Ther G is already flat per the key signature so this cancells it. It's just a bad copy.

FGF

The fingering given is for FGFG, but I wouldn't play that extra G myself.
Title: Re: Help with Chopin scherzo 2 trills
Post by: arceface1 on August 23, 2012, 01:00:03 AM: OMG I love you!!! That's exactly what I was thinking! Thank you so much for the clarification!!!
Title: Re: Help with Chopin scherzo 2 trills
Post by: chopin2015 on August 23, 2012, 02:57:38 AM: Why don't you listen to the piece and interpret?
Title: Re: Help with Chopin scherzo 2 trills
Post by: arceface1 on August 23, 2012, 03:00:45 AM: I tried several times but couldn't figure it out in my desperation I turned to you guys. My ears not that good yet.
Title: Re: Help with Chopin scherzo 2 trills
Post by: chopin2015 on August 23, 2012, 03:07:45 AM: mmm I will listen to it with the score and next to my piano tomorrow. Mum is asleep right now. Will let you know what I think. I only play the first scherzo.
Title: Re: Help with Chopin scherzo 2 trills
Post by: naaga on August 23, 2012, 08:19:12 AM: I played this scherzo and I always used FGF, fingering 353, and then 2 on the E.
Title: Re: Help with Chopin scherzo 2 trills
Post by: arceface1 on August 23, 2012, 10:02:29 AM: Tx again everyone!
Title: Re: Help with Chopin scherzo 2 trills
Post by: nyiregyhazi on August 25, 2012, 01:53:33 AM: Quote from: j_menz on August 23, 2012, 12:06:35 AM

The fingering given is for FGFG, but I wouldn't play that extra G myself.

Neither a mordent nor a full trill should ever finish on a long upper note. There's a tiny slur between the last two fingerings. I believe they are suggesting a change of finger, after having sounded the 2nd F- not an extra note to play.