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Piano Board => Student's Corner => Topic started by: Ludvig_Van_Me on December 20, 2004, 05:30:12 PM

Title: Trill problem.
Post by: Ludvig_Van_Me on December 20, 2004, 05:30:12 PM

With trills, which other note do you trill with? the higher or lower?


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do I trill with the E or the G?


Thx

Title: Re: Trill problem.
Post by: Floristan on December 20, 2004, 05:41:15 PM

The G.

Title: Re: Trill problem.
Post by: Ludvig_Van_Me on December 20, 2004, 06:00:15 PM

thanks

Title: Re: Trill problem.
Post by: Ludvig_Van_Me on December 20, 2004, 06:58:35 PM

Eeee, it's quite hard as they are quite spaced out so it's hard to trill with the fingers spaced out.

i'm used to trilling with notes right next to each other.

Title: Re: Trill problem.
Post by: jlh on December 20, 2004, 08:52:38 PM

Start on the G# and play the ornament in 16th notes.  It should be:

G# - F# - G# - F# -G# - F# - E - F# - G# 

Title: Re: Trill problem.
Post by: Ludvig_Van_Me on December 22, 2004, 01:49:48 AM

Thx Jlh :)

Title: Re: Trill problem.
Post by: Floristan on December 22, 2004, 07:15:45 AM

As jlh said, G#!  Duh!  ;)

Title: Re: Trill problem.
Post by: xvimbi on December 25, 2004, 04:46:53 AM

Quote from: Ludvig_Van_Me on December 20, 2004, 05:30:12 PM

do I trill with the E or the G?

Just to mess things up a little bit: the answer really depends. You will need to tell us who the composer of the piece is. Bach and Clementi started their trills on the upper note, others (Schumann for example), started their trills on the principal note. With respect to Chopin, there seems to be a bit of a confusion.

Therefore, the question is not really E vs. G, but F vs. G.

Also, it often depends on the preceding note. If you start the trill on G#, you repeat the preceding note. Is that what you want? In your example, the trill looks like a passing (transient) trill, in which case you should start on the principal note.

The next question you need to answer is how long the trill needs to be.

Sorry, I hope you haven't ingrained the wrong trill yet  ;)

Title: Re: Trill problem.
Post by: Ludvig_Van_Me on December 25, 2004, 04:58:30 AM

Well I used to (and it sounded alright ) trill with the E and the #F, butF# and G# are definately the ones.  after listening to different pianists play it they start on the F# and slowly go from G# and back again Drowserly up to a full speed trill, truly intoxicating.

I might incorporate it into my style.:)

Title: Re: Trill problem.
Post by: xvimbi on December 25, 2004, 05:54:56 AM

Quote from: Ludvig_Van_Me on December 25, 2004, 04:58:30 AM

Well I used to (and it sounded alright ) trill with the E and the #F, butF# and G# are definately the ones.  after listening to different pianists play it they start on the F# and slowly go from G# and back again Drowserly up to a full speed trill, truly intoxicating.

I might incorporate it into my style.:)

Good you cleared that one up. However, you shouldn't incorporate just anything into your style. The way the trill should be played is dictaded by the composer and the era. You still haven't said what the piece is and who the composer was  :)

Title: Re: Trill problem.
Post by: Ludvig_Van_Me on December 25, 2004, 01:24:02 PM

It's chopin's nocturne #20,

Title: Re: Trill problem.
Post by: Jeremy C. on December 27, 2004, 12:13:13 AM

oh, i thought it looked a little like fantasy impromptu