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Title: heroic vs. military
Post by: BoliverAllmon on April 07, 2005, 10:25:02 PM
which do you think is the better Polonaise.

boliver
Title: Re: heroic vs. military
Post by: keys on April 07, 2005, 10:38:08 PM
I've played both, and the heroic is definitely my favorite.  The military seems so boring in comparison. I love the melody borrowed for 'till the end of time' from the heroic. It is one of my favorite pieces.
Title: Re: heroic vs. military
Post by: apion on April 07, 2005, 11:45:49 PM
The Military is a fine piece, but the Heroic is better.  Not by a huge margin, but it is superior IMO.
Title: Re: heroic vs. military
Post by: beethoartok on April 07, 2005, 11:56:21 PM
definitely the heroic
Title: Re: heroic vs. military
Post by: BoliverAllmon on April 08, 2005, 12:43:31 AM
I am still undecided. so staying neutral
Title: Re: heroic vs. military
Post by: Etude on April 08, 2005, 01:00:00 AM
I prefer the Heroic, but I'm playing the Military Polonaise in my school's end of year concert.  The touch of the out-of-tune piano in the hall is terrible which makes double note passages etc. very difficult to play, and the acoustics of the hall are awful, it sounds almost like have a half-pedal held all the way through.   :P ::)

Btw, I think my very favourite polonaise is op. 26 no. 2 in E flat minor.
Title: Re: heroic vs. military
Post by: brewtality on April 08, 2005, 01:25:19 AM
I play both and I definitely prefer the heroic.  This was actually the piece that inspired me to take up piano again.
Title: Re: heroic vs. military
Post by: Kapellmeister27 on April 08, 2005, 03:23:39 AM
for the sake of difference, the military

if chopin can write such a great and fun piece that sound difficult but that i learned and memorized in just a week after only have taken lessons for 2 years, than thats great piano writing
Title: Re: heroic vs. military
Post by: thierry13 on April 08, 2005, 03:32:36 AM
for the sake of difference, the military

if chopin can write such a great and fun piece that sound difficult but that i learned and memorized in just a week after only have taken lessons for 2 years, than thats great piano writing

You think it sounds hard ? Or impressive? I don't think so at all... It looks easy, and it is  ;D
Title: Re: heroic vs. military
Post by: Radix on April 08, 2005, 04:01:36 AM
Regardless, it doesn't seem like a piece that someone who's only played for two years could learn and memorize in a week.  Hell, I've played for thirteen years, and I probably couldn't learn and memorize it in a week.
Title: Re: heroic vs. military
Post by: Kapellmeister27 on April 08, 2005, 04:04:34 AM
i know thats what worries me... :-\

i seem to have been able to learn pieces faster a few years ago than i can now

i wonder why...

(ps i thought about it, it was more like 3 years and at the time it did seem impressive, plus it was the only piece i worked on that week and probably practiced 2-3 hours a day on it)
Title: Re: heroic vs. military
Post by: steinwayguy on April 08, 2005, 04:06:31 AM
which do you think is the better Polonaise.

boliver

Or we could go ahead and accept that they're both great.
Title: Re: heroic vs. military
Post by: fred smalls on April 08, 2005, 05:25:08 AM
for the sake of difference, the military

if chopin can write such a great and fun piece that sound difficult but that i learned and memorized in just a week after only have taken lessons for 2 years, than thats great piano writing

That made me laugh out loud. It is easy though.
Title: Re: heroic vs. military
Post by: nicko124 on April 08, 2005, 07:52:53 AM
I have looked at the military polonaise written down and it doesen't look that easy! Is it actually easier to play than it looks?
Title: Re: heroic vs. military
Post by: BoliverAllmon on April 08, 2005, 01:04:04 PM
my friend is learning the military right now and says it isn't too bad at all. Heroic does look alot harder. but difficulty isn't everything.
Title: Re: heroic vs. military
Post by: musik_man on April 08, 2005, 04:47:41 PM
I have looked at the military polonaise written down and it doesen't look that easy! Is it actually easier to play than it looks?

It's alot easier than it looks.  The hardest section for me was when your RH does the Bugle type theme in Octaves, because both hands are doing jumps, so you have to play at least one of the hands without looking at it.
Title: Re: heroic vs. military
Post by: thierry13 on April 08, 2005, 05:11:10 PM
The military polonaise was the first piece I was able to play not so bad at sight reading, a long time ago hehe. I learned the notes in 1 hour lol.
Title: Re: heroic vs. military
Post by: pianist_joe_bloggs on April 08, 2005, 06:35:48 PM
I though the thread was about which polonaise people thought was the better one. People on this forum are so ready to start a bragging match about difficulty.

To answer the question properly, my favourite is the military. I'm a fan of loud pieces like the military.
Title: Re: heroic vs. military
Post by: BoliverAllmon on April 09, 2005, 01:07:05 AM
I though the thread was about which polonaise people thought was the better one. People on this forum are so ready to start a bragging match about difficulty.

To answer the question properly, my favourite is the military. I'm a fan of loud pieces like the military.

anybody can be anything on the internet. it is the ultimate bragging grounds. pathetic as it may seem it is true.
Title: Re: heroic vs. military
Post by: apion on April 09, 2005, 01:45:43 AM
Or we could go ahead and accept that they're both great.

Yeah, but it's fun to ponder and debate whether one is actually "greater" than the other......... or maybe not.  ;)
Title: Re: heroic vs. military
Post by: dj on April 09, 2005, 03:20:37 AM


To answer the question properly, my favourite is the military. I'm a fan of loud pieces like the military.

lol is the heroic not loud enough 4 u?
Title: Re: heroic vs. military
Post by: Waldszenen on April 09, 2005, 09:42:01 AM
I'll break the tradition by saying that Op. 44 in F Sharp Minor is greater than both of them. :)
Title: Re: heroic vs. military
Post by: brewtality on April 09, 2005, 11:51:49 AM
I'll break the tradition by saying that Op. 44 in F Sharp Minor is greater than both of them. :)

nah heroic is more wikid, i like op 44 too but not as much as op 53. Btw i don't think the military is supposed to be all that loud, if you banged that one out it would sound crap imo :P
Title: Re: heroic vs. military
Post by: BoliverAllmon on April 09, 2005, 01:15:18 PM
nah heroic is more wikid, i like op 44 too but not as much as op 53. Btw i don't think the military is supposed to be all that loud, if you banged that one out it would sound crap imo :P

nah it can be pretty loud. My teacher once played it and beat the piano to death during it. In fact he broke several strings. Now he is teaching the piece to my friend and says that you should strive to do the same when playing it. it is truly something when played loud.
Title: Re: heroic vs. military
Post by: fred smalls on April 14, 2005, 06:33:28 PM
I'll break the tradition by saying that Op. 44 in F Sharp Minor is greater than both of them. :)

Agreed.

anybody can be anything on the internet. it is the ultimate bragging grounds. pathetic as it may seem it is true.

Agreed.
Title: Re: heroic vs. military
Post by: pocorina on April 14, 2005, 07:41:45 PM
Herioc is better. Harder, too.
Title: Re: heroic vs. military
Post by: paris on April 14, 2005, 09:12:21 PM
heroic is harder, longer, more beautiful, more complicated, more for show off... i'd say his hardest polonaise (we are talking about op.53, aren't we?)
Title: Re: heroic vs. military
Post by: Waldszenen on April 15, 2005, 01:05:20 AM
heroic is harder, longer, more beautiful, more complicated, more for show off... i'd say his hardest polonaise (we are talking about op.53, aren't we?)


I wouldn't quite say his hardest (Polonaise-Fantaisie and Op. 44)
Title: Re: heroic vs. military
Post by: C-A on April 30, 2005, 01:10:00 PM
I say Heroic. Very nice to hear, especially the middle part.
The Military is also is good, pumps me up and some of my cousins when they hear it.
Title: Re: heroic vs. military
Post by: etudes on May 01, 2005, 12:00:34 AM
i think Polonaise Fantasie is the hardest polonaise  :D
btw if compare this two
i would go with Heroic (harder longer and after u play it u get something more than op.40 no.1)
regards