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Piano Board => Performance => Topic started by: buhdaporn on January 23, 2009, 10:16:08 AM
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Hi, I love classical music and I love Liszt to because his song is pleasing, sweet and fast. I quite confuse about Liszt piece that is the hardest. I would like to know 5 hardest pieces? What do you think? Do you have any suggestions? (1 is the hardest) ;D
Thanks for any ideas.
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Hmm...
- Hungarian Rhapsodies
- La Campanella
- Transcendental Etudes
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- Reminiscences de Don Juan (look what it did to Scriabin)
- Grande Fantaisie de bravoure sur La Clochette
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Take a look at the 1838 versions of the Paganini Studies and the 12 Transcendental Studies-they must also be considered among the master's most difficult works.
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Transcription of Beethoven 9th Symphony
1837 Etude 10
Don Juan depending or depending how fast you wanna play it, the transcription on Aubers la Muete.
Thal
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- Reminiscences de Don Juan (look what it did to Scriabin)
- Grande Fantaisie de bravoure sur La Clochette
It was not necessarily to hard for him he just could not reach one of the chords and was a little to motivated on learning it.
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1.Hungarian Rhapsody no.12
2.Totentanz
3.Reminiscences de Don Juan
4.Sonata in B minor
5.Transcendental Etude No.4 "Mazeppa"
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Don Jaun Fantasy
Sonata in b minor
Norma Fantasy
Spanish Rhapsody
Nuages Gris
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They all fall in the transcandental etudes.
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Well, like most people here I don't actually know all of Liszt's vast output so I could easily be missing something, but for my fingers and brain the hardest I can recall are (in no particular order):
Feux Follets
Norma paraphrase
Le Nozze di Figaro variations (completed by Busoni)
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This is pointless, you just can't compare ANY piece with another! Each piece is difficult in its own way, and each bring different challenges for the pianist. You just can't compare, it's nonsense.
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This is pointless, you just can't compare ANY piece with another! Each piece is difficult in its own way, and each bring different challenges for the pianist. You just can't compare, it's nonsense.
A punk making sense, now that's something!
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A punk making sense, now that's something!
Surprised? Hah.
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Surprised? Hah.
Skeptical.
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Skeptical.
Just because I'm a veteran spammer, cusser, or whatever, doesn't mean I don't know anything about music :P.
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Just because I'm a veteran spammer, cusser, or whatever, doesn't mean I don't know anything about music :P.
Well I don't know about your spam, this was actually the first post I saw by you! This was purely about your nickname.
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Oh, then don't mind what I said, haha.
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Feux Follets.
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Hey ho - it's that "hardest piece" thing rearing its uinwarranted, unwelcome and largely uninvited head here yet again! Yes, of couse, there are pieces like the wonderful Feux-Follets that are admittedly, by most people's standards, difficult to bring off as they should be, but in the end we are surely in something of a self-defeating situation here, to the extent that what might be difficult for some pianists may be less so for others, just as in the work of Alkan, Sorabji, Godowsky, Rakhmaninov, Skryabin, Medtner and/or any other major piano composer that anyone may or may not care to name and, when added to this consideration is that of the vast array of different difficulties to be encountered in piano repertoire of one kind and another, one may as well debate the question of whether Evryali or Song 9 are "harder" than Chopin's F minor Ballade or Alkan's Concerto...
Best,
Alistair
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People - just give up trying to talk sence into these guys or girls! The ones that know how pointless these threads are need to somehow - literally - restrain themselves from wasting time and bandwith to point out the same thing over and over and over and over.....
and over....
and over.....
again!
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People - just give up trying to talk sence into these guys or girls! The ones that know how pointless these threads are need to somehow - literally - restrain themselves from wasting time and bandwith to point out the same thing over and over and over and over.....
and over....
and over.....
again!
Give up dude, there is no point complaining about it.
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Give up dude, there is no point complaining about it.
I did intend to include myself as one of those who should give up!
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1. Mazeppa S.138
2. Reminiscences de Don Juan
3. Totentanz (solo piano version)
4. Hungarian Rhapsodies
5. Etudes d'execution transcendentes s.141
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The scherzo from Liszt's transcription of the Berlioz Symphonie Fantastique. If Liszt could really play what he wrote at the required tempo, he must have been a superman. Or the last page of the Hungarian Rhapsodie No. 14.
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1. Rondo fantastique "El Contrabandista"
2.12 Douze Grandes Etudes(Hardest is no.8 )
3.Paraphrase on themes from Verdi's Rigoletto
4.Dante Fantasia quasi Sonata
5.Grand Sonata in B minor
Note*Lots of people mentioned the trancedentals.In terms of technical difficulty they would be around 10th or 11th place*
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There are many, but top 5:
"Feux Follets"- Transcendental Etude no.5 (all transcendental etudes in general)
Paganini Etudes
Sonata in B minor
Après une lecture du Dante (Dante Sonata)
Opera paraphrases
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Hmm...
- Hungarian Rhapsodies
- La Campanella
- Transcendental Etudes
Lol not even close
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There are many, but top 5:
"Feux Follets"- Transcendental Etude no.5 (all transcendental etudes in general)
Paganini Etudes
Sonata in B minor
Après une lecture du Dante (Dante Sonata)
Opera paraphrases
Hey what's up! Nice to meet you Liszt_Forever! I'm...
Rachmaninoff_Forever!
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Symphonie Fantastique, Original Paganini etudes No. 4 V 2, Symphony No. 9 transcription, Ab Irato (I'm only aware of one person who can do this etude justice.) I believe you are bound to find that Liszt's earlier output is much more difficult than his later output (obviously).
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Just a note to everyone who is saying most of the transcendental etudes,
Some of them are actually not that difficult. The big ones in that set are Mazeppa, Feux Follets, and Chasse Neige. Chasse Neige (I hear) actually isn't that difficult technically. But musically, it's incredibly difficult to play.
As for the Hungarian Rhapsodies, are you really sure? I mean some of them are pretty rough, but I wouldn't say they're as difficult as say the Beethoven Symphony transcriptions.
Whoever said La Campanella must be listening to Richard Kastle and that one youtuber who thinks everyone who plays HR2 is a fake other than Richard Kastle, who claims La Campanella is the 2nd most difficult Liszt piece. My ass.
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Opera paraphrases
I think it might be wise to be a little more specific given the huge amount of paraphrases there are.
Some are bloody difficult, others in comparison rather easy.
Thal
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though i do agree with the comment FROM 2009 that these list and difficulty posts are silly, i'll play along sometimes when the mood strikes.
super surprised this piece hasn't been included. i mean super hard as it is, then you also have worry about ensemble and balance issues and interpreting your part in relation to what's coming out of the other piano for the not too shabby length of 17-20 minutes or so!
"Concerto Pathétique" for Two Pianos, S.258
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By hard, if you mean technically challenging,
1) Transcendental Etudes After Paganini #4 1st Version (pretty sure only Howard and Petrov recorded this one)
2) Transcendental Etudes After Paganini #2 (only 3 or 4 people recorded this)
3)Grand Etudes 10
4) Trans Etudes after Paganini #3"La Campanella"
5) Trans Etudes After Paganini #6"Themes and Variation"
would be my pick.
1) I seriously consider 1 to be unplayable, and if any modern pianist plays it, I'd be surprised.
2) The right hand plays thirds, about 2x faster than what is played in feux follets
3) It's just generally hard
4) the second theme in Ab Major is hard, and impossible to play on tempo (it is so fast that it is physically impossible to play this on some uprights on tempo because the hammer doesn't catch up) although, nobody actually played this on tempo.
5) #6: Left hand plays tenths on 16th notes, Var I 's right hand, etc.
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lol where the hell is transcendental 12 "chasse-neige" ? those incessant tremolos are a mind-f***
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The Liebestraum is a really hard song. It's even harder than flight of the bumblebee. I'd like to see you try. :)
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Hardest? -Hardest for who?
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The forum topic should be: the 5 coolest piano pieces liszt wrote.
Who cares about the most difficult. :P
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Who cares about the most difficult. :P
Everyone and his brother, it seems.... ???
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6 year old thread...
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6 year old thread...
(https://rlv.zcache.com/happy_6th_birthday_card-rc53ed1a44f5b410db409563df44c151c_xvuat_8byvr_324.jpg)
Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.
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....and the next thread is "whats the the 5 loudest Liszt pieces are?"
.....or "whats the loudest, fasterst and hardest Liszt pieces in alphabethical order are?"
..what comes on the sixth place?? ::)
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great comic about liszt and chopin
https://www.harkavagrant.com/index.php?id=302 (https://www.harkavagrant.com/index.php?id=302)
:)