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Piano Board => Performance => Topic started by: Cadenza_Ad_Libitum on March 21, 2005, 01:31:42 PM
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Seriously, what does everybody think about him? I have seen that unlike Yundi Li and his counterpart Lang Lang, he does not seem to get as much comment here. What do you think about his recordings in his site www.meiting.com? I think he's pretty good, but my music perspective might be different from yours, so I need your opinion.
I think his Feux Follets is nice, fast and clean, though he can be a bit bombastic occassionally. His Ballade Op. 23 has marvelous wrong notes, and the Presto con fuoco part is dazzling without much use of pedal. I haven't any other Tannhauser version, so I can't really say that he plays well. His Bartok Etudes are fine.
What do you think?
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His Bartok Etudes and the Prokofiev Concerto are ok, but the rest I rather dislike. Too technical and show-offy, and I rarely heard any music. Talk about arrogance too. I hate how he drops the fact that he learned Gaspard de la Nuit at the age of 14. And that he learned Ravel's Toccata in a short time. The toccata is also awful, way too fast, no music. The Hammerklavier, is mediocre. A bit too heavy for my tastes. Oh well, these are just my opinions, remember that, and don't go off on a flame.
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Well, if you weren't aware of it, Mei-Ting just won the National Chopin Competition (https://www.chopin.org) which qualifies him to compete in the International Chopin Competion in Warsaw in the fall. And the jury for the national included names like Augustin Anievas, Susan Starr, Kevin Kenner and Ruth Slenczynska. Not shabby at all.
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MT's extremely good.
Some of the recordings on his personal site aren't of the best, but check out his recordings on https://whitekeys.com . They're fantastic.
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I'll admit, those at White Keys are a hundred times better than the ones at his website. Hopefully he plays nowadays like this. Much more mature.
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It annoys me that he mentions the difficulty of every piece in the descriptions, usually saying something like, "This is one of the most difficult pieces in the repetoire." I listened to many of his recordings, and they are some of the least musical recordings I have heard in my life. I am not a fan.
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You guys sure have some spine-tingling expectations ::)
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Well, if you weren't aware of it, Mei-Ting just won the National Chopin Competition (https://www.chopin.org) which qualifies him to compete in the International Chopin Competion in Warsaw in the fall. And the jury for the national included names like Augustin Anievas, Susan Starr, Kevin Kenner and Ruth Slenczynska. Not shabby at all.
And he didn't deserve it.
(Politics...)
The recordings I listened to on his website- Hammerklavier and Scarlatti- were both painfully mediocre.
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personally, i think he's interpretations aren't yet even - i mean, there are things that i absolutely love (brahms - paganini variations: some are absolutely amazing! and that's just one example i remember of right now), and there are things i dislike (but then again, maybe it's just a matter of taste). but you have to take in consideration the fact that he's still young (what do you want from him? a 50 years old radu lupu?) and, based only on what i listened with my own years, i'd say he has more potential to become "a true pianist" than lang lang. imho.
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Hammerklavier was bad, Rach preludes seem to imitate richter (especially op. 23-4, 5, 7) but okay.
Technique is very good, but the interpretations are pretty dry.
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I think this thread has some jealousy in it. :o
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only sum?
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Anyone heard his 3rd sonata of Scriabin? What do you think of it? I haven't heard it yet...
I'm very curious, since it is one of my favorite pieces of Scriabin, unfortunately I can't download it at www.whitekeys.com
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I think his interpretations are very good. I would listen to him over many big names.
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Gotta concur with boliverallmon. Even though there's personal taste involved it doesn't mean you can insult the very fine artists without being in the least way qualified to do so, while you yourself couldn't play your way through a paper bag. Talk about arrogance huh?
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And he didn't deserve it.
What do you know about it?
Did you attend the competition?
Have you listened to all of the competitors play?
Are you on the judging panel of any important competitions?
Are you in anyway qualified to give your opinion on this subject?
Let me guess. The answer is NO.
Grow up.
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What do you know about it?
Did you attend the competition?
Have you listened to all of the competitors play?
Are you on the judging panel of any important competitions?
Are you in anyway qualified to give your opinion on this subject?
Let me guess. The answer is NO.
Grow up.
And don't only grow up, but grow brains too and use 'em. Add some affinity with music there too.
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I had only heard his Chopin Etude Op. 10 # 12 posted in the Piano Society website. To me, his performance of that piece is definitely not an amature performance, like many of others' posted in that website. I do not understand why he even posted his performance there.
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Boy... there is some jealousy in the air... ::)
Some very nasty comments around here...
Why such harshness?
If you don't like what he is doing, have at least some respect for the work done.
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What do you know about it?
Did you attend the competition?
Have you listened to all of the competitors play?
Are you on the judging panel of any important competitions?
Are you in anyway qualified to give your opinion on this subject?
Let me guess. The answer is NO.
Grow up.
Hey, great guess. No, actually, it wasn't. Yeah, I did hear them play. Yeah I did talk to one of them. Yeah, he told me exactly what the judges said.
Eat it.
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It annoys me that he mentions the difficulty of every piece in the descriptions, usually saying something like, "This is one of the most difficult pieces in the repetoire." I listened to many of his recordings, and they are some of the least musical recordings I have heard in my life. I am not a fan.
From someone who use Sorabji as a part of his alias.
I found your comment hilariously ironic.
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Hey, great guess. No, actually, it wasn't. Yeah, I did hear them play. Yeah I did talk to one of them. Yeah, he told me exactly what the judges said.
Eat it.
Politics are everywhere.
U can use that statement against every pianist/artist/person on the face of earth.
Your piece of opinion is simply immature and holds no value.
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Another aspect, or rather explaination to the statement that they sound dry, is that the sound is pretty dry. He does not like to add reverb (or other effects) to his recordings but only use the acoustics of the hall where the recording was made.
Using my former studio experience, I tried to convince him by making some tricks with effects to bring out the almost hidden string resonance in his recordings but he gentle turned my suggestions down after listening to them ;-).
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Hey, great guess. No, actually, it wasn't. Yeah, I did hear them play. Yeah I did talk to one of them. Yeah, he told me exactly what the judges said.
Eat it.
Let me just add that you're doing a horrible job at concealing your jealousy.
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Let me just add that you're doing a horrible job at concealing your jealousy.
but continue to try please. it is making my day go better.
boliver
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Hey, great guess. No, actually, it wasn't. Yeah, I did hear them play. Yeah I did talk to one of them. Yeah, he told me exactly what the judges said.
Eat it.
Uuhh huuuh. Suuure you did.
And I'm sure that contestant you claim to have talked to, even though he just lost an important competition, was being extremely objective in his remarks.
And I'm sure the judges go around giving their personal opinions about how the winner didn't deserve to win to the other contestants & the general populace.
I mean, man, your story is SO unbelievably believable.
::)
Thank you very much, but eat your words yourself.
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Back on topic... I find his Rach prelude 23-4 to be very good. I haven't taken the time to listen to much else besides his Rachmaninoff preludes, but they were certainly better than another of other attempts on the market nowadays. I haven't heard the Richter versions for comparison, but to say that a pianist copies old recordings is generally pretty naive. I freely admit to listening to recordings and taking ideas from them, but when I play, the interperetation is what I feel - if I feel a piece similarly to someone else, so be it. And although I don't want to speak for Mr. Sun, the likelihood of him, or anyone else, stealing an interperetation is too low to throw around in any reasonable discussion.
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Back on topic... I find his Rach prelude 23-4 to be very good. I haven't taken the time to listen to much else besides his Rachmaninoff preludes, but they were certainly better than another of other attempts on the market nowadays. I haven't heard the Richter versions for comparison, but to say that a pianist copies old recordings is generally pretty naive. I freely admit to listening to recordings and taking ideas from them, but when I play, the interperetation is what I feel - if I feel a piece similarly to someone else, so be it. And although I don't want to speak for Mr. Sun, the likelihood of him, or anyone else, stealing an interperetation is too low to throw around in any reasonable discussion.
Have you heard Richter playing tha prelude? if you have, i guess you would've noticed the way each and every dynamic is just copy-pasted.
By the way, musicians ARE supposed to be jealous by birth, nature, genetics, EVERYTHING !! But since i'm not one, i guess i'll make my point : There are many many better pianists around than Mei-Ting.
P.S. I have a software which can make attempts to convert an mp3 recording to MIDI format (not very accurately but it can do a fair job), and its job with meiting's recordings were almost perfect !
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Have you heard Richter playing tha prelude? if you have, i guess you would've noticed the way each and every dynamic is just copy-pasted.
By the way, musicians ARE supposed to be jealous by birth, nature, genetics, EVERYTHING !! But since i'm not one, i guess i'll make my point : There are many many better pianists around than Mei-Ting.
P.S. I have a software which can make attempts to convert an mp3 recording to MIDI format (not very accurately but it can do a fair job), and its job with meiting's recordings were almost perfect !
and what would that indicate about converting the mp3?
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Have you heard Richter playing tha prelude? if you have, i guess you would've noticed the way each and every dynamic is just copy-pasted.
By the way, musicians ARE supposed to be jealous by birth, nature, genetics, EVERYTHING !! But since i'm not one, i guess i'll make my point : There are many many better pianists around than Mei-Ting.
P.S. I have a software which can make attempts to convert an mp3 recording to MIDI format (not very accurately but it can do a fair job), and its job with meiting's recordings were almost perfect !
Wow, just when I think I haven't reached the nadir of reading things on pianoforums....
koji (STSD)
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I am not a part of the argument but to answer "BoliverAllmon", if you convert something into midi format, you would know every single aspect of someone's playing (other than musical interpretation, which is very subjective). So you can hear and compare the dynamic of each note that has been played in the recording. You can SEE it in number. Like... very very loud might be 113, very soft might be 64.
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Have you heard Richter playing tha prelude? if you have, i guess you would've noticed the way each and every dynamic is just copy-pasted.
By the way, musicians ARE supposed to be jealous by birth, nature, genetics, EVERYTHING !! But since i'm not one, i guess i'll make my point : There are many many better pianists around than Mei-Ting.
P.S. I have a software which can make attempts to convert an mp3 recording to MIDI format (not very accurately but it can do a fair job), and its job with meiting's recordings were almost perfect !
By the way, what is the name of the software you are talking about?? I want to find one but I can't.
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I used this sentence before, but i think i will use it again.
Ignorance is bliss, congratulate on being the happiest person on earth.
I recommend u to join this website: www.dasdc.net
I think u will finally get back to your own kind, and have a gay-old time.
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I think Mei Tings Rach preludes are insanely good. His op. 23 no. 9 is untoucheable. I tell all my friends he's the future of piano.
Rob
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By the way, what is the name of the software you are talking about?? I want to find one but I can't
The name of the software is Akhoff Composer.
Quote from: rohansahai on March 24, 2005, 11:40:03 PM
Have you heard Richter playing tha prelude? if you have, i guess you would've noticed the way each and every dynamic is just copy-pasted.
By the way, musicians ARE supposed to be jealous by birth, nature, genetics, EVERYTHING !! But since i'm not one, i guess i'll make my point : There are many many better pianists around than Mei-Ting.
P.S. I have a software which can make attempts to convert an mp3 recording to MIDI format (not very accurately but it can do a fair job), and its job with meiting's recordings were almost perfect !
Whoa, what's this? Detective Dipshit at work? So lemme get this straight: Just because you can't play your way through a piece of used toiletpaper meiting's recordings are fake? You've got the brain of a 4 year-old boy who I'm sure, was glad to be rid of it. So before you start "using" this brain you might wanna do some homework first. And when your IQ reaches 50, I advise you to sell.
In trying to be really sarcastic, you've accidentally made yourself pretty incomprehensible. By saying "copy pasted" i never meant that they are actually copy-pasted using computer tricks....what i mean is that his tempo, the articulations, and his entire picture of this piece exactly matches Richter's, but still does not have the poise of his playing. He's apparently tried to copy his style, on this occasion... or maybe influenced a little bit too much in this piece.
When we listen to any pianist playing, after a sufficient number of pieces, we tend to get an exact image of his style, and his entire approach to piano playing. For instance, you can impulsively identify or make fairly accurate guesses to the identity of the pianist when some unknown recording of his is played, simply judging by his approach and style. However in Mei-Ting's case.. i've listened to his rach preludes (all of them), the hammerklavier, the bartok sonata and some of the other pieces, and I find them as a jumbled up set of pretty average interpretations. There is no personal element in his playing and that is the reason why despite his phenomenal technique, I do not really like his playing......it does not move me, it does not hum itself in my brain after i switch off the recordings.
I think Mei Tings Rach preludes are insanely good. His op. 23 no. 9 is untoucheable. I tell all my friends he's the future of piano.
Rob
EXACTLY !! You have unconsciously made my point ! When you think of great renderings of these great works (the rach preludes): Richter, Ashkenazy etc., you first think about their D major, G major, G minor, G sharp minor and the other preludes. However in Mei-Ting's case, you tend to remember his op. 23 no. 9 (which i agree, is untouchable). simply shows that it is his technique which is most impressive.
Anyway, its just my opinion, you always have the right to disagree !!!
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Whoa, what's this? Detective Dipshit at work? So lemme get this straight: Just because you can't play your way through a piece of used toiletpaper meiting's recordings are fake? You've got the brain of a 4 year-old boy who I'm sure, was glad to be rid of it. So before you start "using" this brain you might wanna do some homework first. And when your IQ reaches 50, I advise you to sell.
You need to calm down. I've reported your post to the adminstrator. Trust me: not a great way to start a membership on a forum.
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wow, i thought i was bad...
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Anyway, its just my opinion, you always have the right to disagree !!!
Indeed; and I do.
koji (STSD)
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Everything I have heard so far by Meiting has been superb. I was particularly impressed by his Scarlatti and Feux Follets. I can certainly imagine him being even better live. :D
Best wishes,
Bernhard.
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To throw in more of my comments:
There are a few recordings of his which I do not like at all, like his Feux Follets or the Ravel Toccata. And you have to admit that:
"Ah, Gaspard de la Nuit, which of us pianists has not played this piece? Don't answer that, it's only rhetorical. Anyway, enjoy a 14-year-old's rendition of the piece."
...is pretty egotistcal, when there is so much better things he could write about this piece, like the fact that it was made to be harder than Islamey, among other things. But his recording of the Tannhauser Overture, Bartok Etudes and Sonata, and a few other recordings, are very good. And I like the recordings at white keys too.
Edit: On second thought, his Ravel Toccata isn't too bad. Just so many wrong notes, and near the beginning, the first time he uses the pedal, the pedal comes in a bit too early. Oh well, for the missed notes, I guess it is understandable. This is an insane piece.
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To throw in more of my comments:
There are a few recordings of his which I do not like at all, like his Feux Follets or the Ravel Toccata. And you have to admit that:
"Ah, Gaspard de la Nuit, which of us pianists has not played this piece? Don't answer that, it's only rhetorical. Anyway, enjoy a 14-year-old's rendition of the piece."
...is pretty egotistcal, when there is so much better things he could write about this piece, like the fact that it was made to be harder than Islamey, among other things. But his recording of the Tannhauser Overture, Bartok Etudes and Sonata, and a few other recordings, are very good. And I like the recordings at white keys too.
You realize, of course, that he's being facetious.
koji (STSD)
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And regardless, the fact remains that he learned it when he was 14.
:P
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To throw in one more opinion, I think that his recordings are generally very good,.. definitely technique-wise, but he also has nice ideas musically too. I would be interested to hear him live.
btw, his Feux Follets is the fastest ive ever heard this piece played, both live or on recordings - if hes really playing everything and not leaving any notes out, then wow lol
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To throw in one more opinion, I think that his recordings are generally very good,.. definitely technique-wise, but he also has nice ideas musically too. I would be interested to hear him live.
btw, his Feux Follets is the fastest ive ever heard this piece played, both live or on recordings - if hes really playing everything and not leaving any notes out, then wow lol
I don't think he is a faker on that piece. If I am not mistaken he played that for the piano e-competition and won.
boliver
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I can certainly imagine him being even better live. :D
I imagine so- I'd like to attend one of his concerts someday. :)
He has quite a few concerts around the US coming up, you can see his schedule here:
https://www.meiting.com/index.php?location=https://meiting.com/appearances.php
and here:
https://chopin.org/concert_tour.html
SteinwayGuy- he's going to perform in Raleigh- you going to go? :P :)
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Similar accusation had been made to Yundi Li. Some had written before that Yundi Li had always made his recordings in studio whereas Lang Lang recorded his live in concert halls and that you should not judge a pianist’s playing from his recordings, you must judge him in concert halls. If one can really fake one’s playing, you think some of Lang Lang’s CDs that were recorded in studio should have been criticized so much by some respectable critics? Lol.
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Similar accusation had been made to Yundi Li. Some had written before that Yundi Li had always made his recordings in studio whereas Lang Lang recorded his live in concert halls and that you should not judge a pianist’s playing from his recordings, you must judge him in concert halls. If one can really fake one’s playing, you think some of Lang Lang’s CDs that were recorded in studio should have been criticized so much by some respectable critics? Lol.
u gotta stop talking to the voice in your head
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one thought: i've seen just about all important pianists of the 20th century (horowitz, richter, gilels, argerich, rubinstein, and so on) named in the thread "overrated pianists". so, i'm not shocked to see so divergent opinions about mei ting (who isn't yet as well-known as these)
but you'll have to agree - there's something abut him, if he can raise such passionate disputes over his playing :)
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oh, and after reading through the whole thread, i still keep my opinion: we haven't heard the best from this pianist yet.
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u gotta stop talking to the voice in your head
Look, who had written the follwing:
[...And I know that there are a lot of Li's fan here. ANd he did made some excellent CDs, but studio recording can be deceiving, If u can, try to get some live performance, u will be dissapointed...]
Have I talked to the voice in my head? You yourself had implied it is deceiving to record in studio.
Go to the following page to read it once more for yourself.
https://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=38c5f0a43196999cceb6b218d393e32c&topic=5463.50
You are not the only one who had written a lot of nonsense about Yundi Li. It’s amazing that these people have never felt bad about all the lies they had given to the public.
Regarding recordings made in studio, fans of Lang Lang always like to remind you that their idol recorded his playing live in concert halls whereas Yundi Li had recorded his in studio as if it's very grand to record live in concert halls. Some even lied that Yundi made a mass in concert halls. Amazing! If that is true, there shouldn't be music critics who had written that Yundi had played even better and faster in concert halls due to magnetism of audiences. So, stop boasting about Lang Lang recording his Cds in concert halls, I am sick and tire of reading about it for the past few years.
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In case the page is wrongly linked again, I better bring here once more what SteinwayModelD had written before.
I think perhaps you had better read more closely before getting riled up - I never made any comment about Yundi Li's music at all - my comment was about media hype, and people who buy into it.
Have u been to Hong Kong and realize how absurd that situation turned out to be?
He plays 4 hands with pop stars, he is called 'the prince of piano', some people called him 'greatest pianist alive', fans fainted over his appearance and he certainly enjoys it, so many people bought his CD and not listen to it.
ANd this kind of thing transists him from making serious music to a pop-star/pianist kind of thing, and his Grieg Concerto performance in HK is just horrifying... He plays so uncertainly, and it's like he lost every single bit of glory that he used to have. ANd people still waved about his performance.
OMG, you can't believe how ridicuolous this crowd is.
And I believe I have 2 times more matierals of Yundi Li than everyone here has. Yet, I sense a deteroiation in his technique and musical mind. DOn't get me wrong, I am not anti-Li or pro-Lang, I am neither like Li nor Lang. I am just someone loves music.
And I know that there are a lot of Li's fan here. ANd he did made some excellent CDs, but studio recording can be deceiving, If u can, try to get some live performance, u will be dissapointed.
And I can't believe someone called the La Roque (or Husum) performance he gave being 'as good as before'.
His Liszt Sonata back then was one of the best I have heard, now he is just struggling with notes and stupid phrasing, completely ruined the masterpiece. Is it because he has to played the same programme OVER AND OVER AND OVER again for 3 years? I don't know. What I certainly know that is, for people who say 'Yea, Li is as good as before' or 'Li is being commercialized wouldn't affect his playing', are just as blind as the people who think Lang Lang is the 'best, greatest Virtuoso alive'.
It's just simply absurd.
Try to get more materials before u speak.
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LOL
you are so predictable
i am suprised u still haven't gone insane, or have u?
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LOL
you are so predictable
i am suprised u still haven't gone insane, or have u?
No answer to my reply? I guess you must say something to brush away your embarrassment? Haha!
Who is insane? The ansawer is obvious isn’t it?
What are these people good at? Writing a lot of nonsense to mislead the public is what they are good at.
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Who is insane? The ansawer is obvious isn’t it?
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Indeed, it is quite obvious.
(There, I answered your question)
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Indeed, it is quite obvious.
(There, I answered your question)
hahaha you beat me to it. :P
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whoa this topic went down the chute.
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whoa this topic went down the chute.
This tends to happen when Mr Yundi-Li-on-the-brain (I have yet to see this individual post on anything other than Mr. Li) chimes in on this global conspiracy theory of his.
koji (STSD)
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This tends to happen when Mr Yundi-Li-on-the-brain (I have yet to see this individual post on anything other than Mr. Li) chimes in on this global conspiracy theory of his.
koji (STSD)
Why do I chime in and quickly run away? Haha! Because I am afraid of something bad happening to my computer. Not long ago, when I clicked to open this site, a nasty message with nasty words like pregnant dog, worthless person etc just popped up. It even asked me to register to talk to him. Of course I was not stupid to be fooled so easily. After that, I was told that the same message popped up a few times even when the user didn’t visit this site. I had viewed this site from other means. Although I have no more such problem from this site recently, I guess I really should quit internet. Don't accuse me of talking to the voice in my head agan! However, comparatively, this site hadn't deleted any of my posts which I truly appreciate.
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I didn't use " pregnant dog", instead I used "beach" (purposely wrongly spelt if I want it to appear as it is).
I guess your website is programmed to alter certain nasty words. This is good!
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Sheesh... I don't want to take sides as such but I find a LOT of credibility to SMD's words.
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You know this topic does show that the quality of posts have gone downhill over the last year and a half.
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You know this topic does show that the quality of posts have gone downhill over the last year and a half.
THis topic? I know, you are trying to blame me. But how high is the quality of some of the posts here? Ho-ho, too much nonsense. For example look at this one:
What a tremendous topic to bring back, Classicalized.
All this talk about Richter is just plain blasphemy. I can't believe you could say Richter, overall, is an overrated pianist. Maybe for Chopin or Beethoven, but nothing past that. His Schumann, Scriabin and Prokofiev are absolutely unbeatable. You haven't heard much better Liszt, Rachmaninoff or Brahms (except Gilels) either.
All of you who say Schnabel and Cortot, yet reject any thoughts of Marc Andre Hamelin, Lang Lang and Kissin are absurd. Schnabel and Cortot were pure 100% musicians. I'll admit, their "technique" is pretty terrible a lot of the time, but Hamelin, Lang Lang and Kissin's musical qualities are terrible all of the time. Not to mention M. Argerich, who, excepting Ravel, Bartok and Prokofiev, is a pile of rubbish.
Horowitz, I used to be mesmerized by him. Then I learned what an "honest interpretation" and "good tone during fortissimos" are. Just listen to his Mephisto Waltz, and you'll know this man is one of the most overrated pianists of the 20th century. "Oh but he his technique was perfect!". Yeah, but I don't give a ***.
Underrated- Gilels, Cortot, Annie Fischer, Solomon, Michelangeli.
A lot of nonsense written here.
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THis topic? I know, you are trying to blame me. But how high is the quality of some of the posts here? Ho-ho, too much nonsense. For example look at this one:
A lot of nonsense written here.
I am not saying who is writing the nonsense. I am just stating that there is tons of it.
boliver
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I am not saying who is writing the nonsense. I am just stating that there is tons of it.
boliver
No, I am not talking about you. Bravuraoctave is not BoliverAllmon I hope.
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Why do I chime in and quickly run qway? Haha! Because I am afraid of something bad happening to my computer. Not long ago, when I clicked to open this site, a nasty message with nasty words like pregnant dog, worthless person etc just popped up. It even asked me to register to talk to him. Of course I was not stupid to be fooled so easily. After that, I was told that the same message popped up a few times even when the user didn’t visit this site. I had viewed this site from other means. Although I have no more such problem from this site recently, I guess I really should quit internet. Don't accuse me of talking to the voice in my head agan! However, comparatively, this site hadn't deleted any of my posts which I truly appreciate.
Somewhere, a padded cell is yearning for a worthy occupant.
koji (STSD)
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Somewhere, a padded cell is yearning for a worthy occupant.
koji (STSD)
There is no way to talk sense with people who are obviously in the wrong, I guess.
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There is no way to talk sense with people who are obviously in the wrong, I guess.
Thanks for trying though.
koji (STSD)
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THis topic? I know, you are trying to blame me. But how high is the quality of some of the posts here? Ho-ho, too much nonsense. For example look at this one:
A lot of nonsense written here.
If you have not contributed to the decline in post quality, may I ask why do you feel that that specific comment was directed at you.
If you have not contributed to the decline in post quality, you have the right not to feel guilty.
In either case, you have the right to remain silent. Now please use it.
Thank you.
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There is no way to talk sense with people who are obviously in the wrong, I guess.
then why talk with you?
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then why talk with you?
'Simply walk away, don't make eye-contact with him, otherwise he would think u are one of his kind.'
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hahaha you beat me to it. :P
Who is insane?
then why talk with you?
What do you mean? please elaborate.
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Who is insane?
What do you mean? please elaborate.
::)
koji (STSD)
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Remember what I wrote about my neighbour? Haha!
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Wow, I thought I was immature. But thanks for boosting my self-esteem guys!
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Wow, I thought I was immature. But thanks for boosting my self-esteem guys!
i guess the thread is worth something then.
boliver
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Why don't you answer my question, Bolliverallmom? Don't be afraid, haha!
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i guess the thread is worth something then.
boliver
This is true.
Why don't you answer my question, Bolliverallmom? Don't be afraid, haha!
You are starting to bother me.
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Please find out one another's email or messenger and carry out your silly argument privately. Stop contaminating this thread with all this nonsense. Let's steer this back to the original topic.
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This is true.
You are starting to bother me.
He accomplished that feat quite a while ago as far as I'm concerned.
koji (STSD)
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He accomplished that feat quite a while ago as far as I'm concerned.
koji (STSD)
There is something freakishly psycho and annoying about his 'haha!'
It's like he is trying to hide his nervousness, and the attempt to shows that he is superior to all of us; And yet, he failed to do so.
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Why don't you answer my question, Bolliverallmom? Don't be afraid, haha!
I don't see it as fear. If you cannot figure out what was meant by my reply then I am sorry.
boliver (notice spelling)
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Amazing what can happen within a single thread over a period of twenty four hours.
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Amazing what can happen within a single thread over a period of twenty four hours.
or even less time really.
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Amazing what can happen within a single thread over a period of twenty four hours.
or even less time really.
So, I am to be blamed for the high frequency of the posting here? After my first post under this thread, these people had dropped 26 posts whereas I had dropped 12 posts. Why are they so keen to ridicule me? haha!
Common aim: To upgrade Lang Lang while recognizing that he is not musical. How to upgrade him if he is not musical? Simple, downgrade other pianists, haha! ( Sorry for my 'haha', HAHA!)
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Relax, I'm not blaming anyone mate.
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So, I am to be blamed for the high frequency of the posting here? After my first post under this thread, these people had dropped 26 posts whereas I had dropped 12 posts. Why are they so keen to ridicule me? haha!
Commom aim: To upgrade Lang Lang while recognizing that he is not musical. How to upgrade him if he is not musical? Simple, downgrade other pianists, haha! ( Sorry for my 'haha', HAHA!)
lay off the shrooms man and chill out.
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Tibidi-
You're a loser, HAHA!
You contribute nothing, HAHA!
You are nothing but an annoyance, HAHA!
and...
You drink non-alcoholic beer, HAHA!
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Allow me to introduce these people to you - they are fans of Lang Lang, haha!
The end.
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Um, on this forum I have seen very little positive things said about lang lang.
And where are you from? Just want to know what place to cross off my list of "places to visit'
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Tibidi-
You contribute nothing, HAHA!
What a tremendous topic to bring back, Classicalized.
All this talk about Richter is just plain blasphemy. I can't believe you could say Richter, overall, is an overrated pianist. Maybe for Chopin or Beethoven, but nothing past that. His Schumann, Scriabin and Prokofiev are absolutely unbeatable. You haven't heard much better Liszt, Rachmaninoff or Brahms (except Gilels) either.
All of you who say Schnabel and Cortot, yet reject any thoughts of Marc Andre Hamelin, Lang Lang and Kissin are absurd. Schnabel and Cortot were pure 100% musicians. I'll admit, their "technique" is pretty terrible a lot of the time, but Hamelin, Lang Lang and Kissin's musical qualities are terrible all of the time. Not to mention M. Argerich, who, excepting Ravel, Bartok and Prokofiev, is a pile of rubbish.
Horowitz, I used to be mesmerized by him. Then I learned what an "honest interpretation" and "good tone during fortissimos" are. Just listen to his Mephisto Waltz, and you'll know this man is one of the most overrated pianists of the 20th century. "Oh but he his technique was perfect!". Yeah, but I don't give a ***.
Underrated- Gilels, Cortot, Annie Fischer, Solomon, Michelangeli.
I have contributed nothing? Here is my small contribution:
Richter’s technique is good, that is why his Beethoven Appassionata is almost unbeatable, not his Schumann, Scriabin and Prokofiev( Richter couldn’t play rubato properly, haha!). Even for Appassionata, it's only the third movement that is truly great. The first movement is not impressive at all.
I may not like M. Argerich’s chopin, but they are not rubbish to me. But Lang Lang’s music is a pile of rubbish to me.
How can you say Hamelin and Kissin’s music qualities are terrible all of the time? Utterly wrong. Hamelin has got very good technique and Kissin is very musical besides having great technique.
Horowitz’s interpretations usually made sense. He never copied others’ style.
His music is so alive that you can almost hear him talking to you sometimes.
He was one of the most musical pianists I have known.
In his prime, his technique was truly great.
He had a wide range of repertoire and had recorded compositions by many composers.
Horowitz is quite unique.
How can Horowitz be the most overrated pinists of the 20th century? Lang Lang is the one who is most overrated of the 21th century
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It's amazing, the quality of this thread has gone through the floor. I thought it couldn't get worse.
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It's amazing, the quality of this thread has gone through the floor. I thought it couldn't get worse.
Haha!
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Haha!
dude shut up with the haha!
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Please find out one another's email or messenger and carry out your silly argument privately. Stop contaminating this thread with all this nonsense. Let's steer this back to the original topic..
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Please find out one another's email or messenger and carry out your silly argument privately. Stop contaminating this thread with all this nonsense. Let's steer this back to the original topic..
i agree and will attempt to steer it right now. I commend MT for staying pure in his recordings. He has mistakes at times in his music, but he told us before that the reason why he doesn't go and fix them is that he feels that he loses some musical interpretation when attempting to strive for perfect notes. Also the fact that he doesn't doctor his recordings is refreshing also. I was listening to an old recording once of Horowitz and my friend hated it. He much prefered some other recording of the piece by a nobody. I quickly realized the reason why. The nobody recording had added bass boost, reverb, and overall had a fuller sound. Whereas the Horowitz recording didn't. it was live and alive. HEHEHEHE!!!!! So, stay true MT. You are on the right track.
boliver
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Please find out one another's email or messenger and carry out your silly argument privately. Stop contaminating this thread with all this nonsense. Let's steer this back to the original topic..
You people are certainly difficult to please. You said I have contributed nothing, so I wrote something about music. But now you want me to shut up. How unreasonable. Nevertheless, I shall try to please you again by shutting up now. No more Haha!
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You people are certainly difficult to please. You said I have contributed nothong, so I wrote somethong about music. But now you want me to shut up. How unreasonable. Nevertheless, I shall try to please you again by shutting up now. No more Haha!
thank you
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Sorry, I was just practicing my tremelos. Carry on.
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That is a very accurate tremolo. how long did it taake you to do it? what is your BPM?
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ROFLMAO
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
not too bad innit?
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Mwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha <-- mine is WAY better. You need to work on yours quite a bit. Too fast. Fast isnt always everything. Arf. oh yeah forgot to talk about meiting sun. I hate him. He plays like crap, and he is a huge jerk. Poor Nancarrow. I hate it that meiting sun has become like the champion of the Tango? even though he sucks hard at it.
and his tannhauser overture sounds like a 14 year old. Well, a normal 14 year old.
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Mwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha <-- mine is WAY better. You need to work on yours quite a bit. Too fast. Fast isnt always everything. Arf. oh yeah forgot to talk about meiting sun. I hate him. He plays like crap, and he is a huge jerk. Poor Nancarrow. I hate it that meiting sun has become like the champion of the Tango? even though he sucks hard at it.
and his tannhauser overture sounds like a 14 year old. Well, a normal 14 year old.
thank you for that pathetic waste of a space on this board.
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ROFLMAO
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
not too bad innit?
and of course, this post, and the several others like it are not a waste of space? yeah i see the logic. oh wait no i dont because there is none. i also gave my own personal feelings about Meiting sun. you wanted to know how we felt about him and i answered your *** question. I'm sorry if you disagree. that doesnt give you the right to be a jackass just because you may have some vendetta against me over my past actions. and btw- your post wasted just as much space as mine. maybe a little less, but at least mine had SOMETHING to do with the question.
IMO meiting is overrated and you need to think before you act.
EDIT: "thank you for that pathetic waste of a space on this board." if it was a pathetic waste of space then how come it annoyed you so much? i think it is a pretty powerful waste of space!
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Mwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha <-- mine is WAY better. You need to work on yours quite a bit. Too fast. Fast isnt always everything. Arf. oh yeah forgot to talk about meiting sun. I hate him. He plays like crap, and he is a huge jerk. Poor Nancarrow. I hate it that meiting sun has become like the champion of the Tango? even though he sucks hard at it.
and his tannhauser overture sounds like a 14 year old. Well, a normal 14 year old.
Another brilliant post courtesy of Skepto. ::)
koji (STSD)
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hey koji yeah it was pretty dumb i agree, but i answered the question quickly. i dun want to get into it cause i'm lazy, but all this arguing has probably wasted more time anyways.
btw- scriabin sonata no. 10- good work
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hey koji yeah it was pretty dumb i agree, but i answered the question quickly. i dun want to get into it cause i'm lazy, but all this arguing has probably wasted more time anyways.
btw- scriabin sonata no. 10- good work
You play any Scriabin?
koji (STSD)
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i meant your recording. it was nice.
and no i dont have any in my repertoire sadly. i've been overloaded with french stuff lately and after that i have to learn the schubert sonata D. 958 for a competition and then another piece that is probably going to end up being the Alkan Symphonie pour Piano, so i doubt i will have any any time soon. after those two i have other stuff i wanna work on.
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i meant your recording. it was nice.
and no i dont have any in my repertoire sadly. i've been overloaded with french stuff lately and after that i have to learn the schubert sonata D. 958 for a competition and then another piece that is probably going to end up being the Alkan Symphonie pour Piano, so i doubt i will have any any time soon. after those two i have other stuff i wanna work on.
Thanks; I wish it were easier to play. The Alkan's pretty beastly (great piece though), good luck with that.
koji (STSD)
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Was looking for Mei-Ting Sun's "Feux Follets" but found that I can no longer load it from this meiting.com website. I checked whitekeys.com and pianosociety.com to avail.
I'm just wondering if some of you might be kind enough to point me to a place where I can download Mr. Sun's "Feux Follets." You help will be appreicated.
Thanks.
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sure sure. you can get the MIDI at the international piano-e-competition.
here is the URL
https://piano-e-competition.com/contestantbios02/meitingsun.htm
down at the bottom.
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Thank you! I'm listening to the MIDI now... Thanks. :)
EDIT: Got what I was looking for. Very impressive. Thanks!
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The midi sounds like some of the notes aren't even individual (like in the runs) and are instead chords. Jesus, it's crazy! :o
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yes, the feux follets is crazily fast as someone put it once.
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fast but empty.
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fast but empty.
Skepto, will you please post some of your recordings? You must be an unbelievably fabulous pianist.
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fast but empty.
Excuse me, are u talking about your skull? =P
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I'm sorry guys but I need to come clean. I'm a mole for LL. I didn't want to do it. I wanted to fight for the Glorious one(Yundi Li) and his incredible musical ability, but, alas, LL abducted my family to his Fortress of Doom(betcha didn't know he had one of those) on the Island of Over-commercialization. My attempt to rescue them resulted in failure. Easily, I crossed the Chasm of Funky Body Motions that surround his Fortress. His Bombasity Guards were vanquished by my Sword of Taste +1. I made my way undaunted through his Labrynth of Poor Interpretation. Finally, I came face to face with the Dark Lord himself. For hours I faced him and his mighty Mace of Banality. His fighting style was full of useless motions designed only to make others believe his might, yet still his power was great. I knew that I couldn't defeat him with mere taste, so I cast a IVth level Bad Review spell. Trembling, he fell to his knees and begged for a chance to renounce his evil ways and to play for good once again. I, blinded by my foolish naivity, listened. As my guard went down, he unleashed a fearful Hadoken, the like of which has not been seen since Super Street Fighter II Tournament Edition.
When I awoke, I was in a dark damp room. A coarse, almost sickening voice resonated in the walls of my cell, a voice I recognized as belonging to no other than his twisted Lieutenant, xvimbi. My family was to be forced to listen to the Dark Lord play the Don Juan fantasy for all eternity, unless... unless I would help him. He spoke of one, one he called "the Prophet." I was to ruthlessly mock the Prophet, attack his revelations as paranoia, and defend the Dark Lord's minions.
I quickly noted that any feeble attempts by the forces of darkness were quickly knocked aside by the Prophet and shown to be grotesque copies of the true musicality of the Glorious one. Even the most sinister of the Dark Lord's servants, those who through guile and treachery convinced the board that they were followers of the truth, were exposed by his brilliance, like a dark place is exposed by light. The realization, that my attempts would never phase him and never result in my family's safety, hit me. I can now only go into exile and hope, through a life of taste and lack of body motions, to undo a small portion of the evil and poor interpretation that I have been an accessory to.
I can only hope that Brewtality, aquariuswb, and dankoren will realize that the tastelessness of Lang Lang will never triumph. May they renounce their ways and their insidious master and walk in the ways of Yundi.
The only appropriate response to tibidi, is pure unbridled sarcasm. Stuff so sarcastic that it leaves you physically exhausted.
*goes back to ignoring tibidi*
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Skepto, will you please post some of your recordings? You must be an unbelievably fabulous pianist.
like i've said. come get me on MSN.
and yes my skull is fast???
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and yes my skull is fast???
You mean thick?
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hahaha you beat me to it. :P
Who is insane?
What do you mean? please elaborate.
Hey, you haven't answered my question.
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From your reluctance to answer my question, it's obvious that it is directed at me. Almost everyone here is against me? Hehe! Remember what I wrote about my neighbours? Hehe!
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From your reluctance to answer my question, it's obvious that it is directed at me. Almost everyone here is against me? Hehe! Remember what I wrote about my neighbours? Hehe!
The end.
Dude. Seriously, get some help....
You and your neighbour, whatever man.
Do something about your mental health before it's too late.
Anyway, just got the Yundi Li Liszt 1st, it's quite good.
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I LOVE his g minor Ballade. Screw the wrong notes, he plays that thing beautifully.
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I LOVE his g minor Ballade. Screw the wrong notes, he plays that thing beautifully.
And I appreciate that most of his recordings he put up are live.
Same goes for the Beethoven Hammerklavier, something so vast, and yet it's played with such eletricity, and musicality. Just listen to how beautiful the 3rd movemnt is. U can actually hear how much Mei Ting adores this piece by the way he plays it.
There is just something about MT's musical idea, he does things in music not because it's there to 'impress' people, the audience or judge.
He does it, just because it necessary for the music.
Just like the Feux Follets, i believe he can play much faster, and cut the timing with another half minute. But it's not necessary and it's not good for the music. He believes the speed he picked was necessary, and as well as the most optimal speed for the speed itself.
Just listen to the Brahms Paganini and Tannusher, u will know he doesn't play music for the sake of the difficulty. The difficulty is necessary for such music.
And he simply stated that the performance of his Ravel Gaspard was at age of 14, just like he said the Tannusher was performed in Alice Tully in 2003. There is nothing self-endulging about that statement. It's all about how u interpret that. Of course u can wipe up all your consipracy theory like those people on the first page. And attacked MT for being a child prodigy. (I don't see those people go attack Argerich for learning Gaspard at age of 14.)
(Trying to get the thread back on track.)
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I first saw this post:
Anyway, just got the Yundi Li Liszt 1st, it's quite good.
and then this one:
I LOVE his g minor Ballade. Screw the wrong notes, he plays that thing beautifully.
You can mislead others easily. I believe you don’t mean the ballade played by Yundi Li.
By the way, Ballade no. 4 in F minor played by Yundi Li in Warsaw four years ago is the best that I have heard. I always gasp at the ending of this piece played by him. His passion, his technique and his bouncing notes always leave me in awe.
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I first saw this post:
and then this one:
You can mislead others easily. I believe you don’t mean the ballade played by Yundi Li.
By the way, Ballade no. 4 in F minor played by Yundi Li in Warsaw four years ago is the best that I have heard. I always gasp at the ending of this piece played by him. His passion, his technique and his bouncing notes always leave me in awe.
You of course, realize (or perhaps you don't in your addled brain) that this thread is not about Yundi. Why don't you hijack another one or just start your own; better yet, here's what I suggest you ponder instead of this endless nickel and dime spamming stuff, what you should really try if you really want to make a dent in your neve ending quest to foil the nefarious schemes of Lord Lang and his evil phalanx of publicists:
Tatoo (or if that's too painful) body paint "Y U N D I L I" on your chest, set up a webcam and perform creative cheers (something along the lines of "GO GO YUNDI LI GO GO YUNDI LI!!" and always end with "YAAAAAAY YUUUUNDI!!!") Just think of the hours of amusement and delight you'll have coming up with these wonderful chants--and as an ancillary benefit, all those terrific pleated skirts!! I bet you look postively fetching in a pink mini.
Yundi will undoubtedly shower you with love and affection for such devoted antics--think of the overwhelming bliss you'll experience once that happens.
So do it!! The world (and more importantly, Mr. Li) NEEDS YOU!!!!
koji (STSD)
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v373/Thracozaag/yodaowned4gx.gif)
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You of course, realize (or perhaps you don't in your addled brain) that this thread is not about Yundi. Why don't you hijack another one or just start your own; better yet, here's what I suggest you ponder instead of this endless nickel and dime spamming stuff, what you should really try if you really want to make a dent in your neve ending quest to foil the nefarious schemes of Lord Lang and his evil phalanx of publicists:
Tatoo (or if that's too painful) body paint "Y U N D I L I" on your chest, set up a webcam and perform creative cheers (something along the lines of "GO GO YUNDI LI GO GO YUNDI LI!!" and always end with "YAAAAAAY YUUUUNDI!!!") Just think of the hours of amusement and delight you'll have coming up with these wonderful chants--and as an ancillary benefit, all those terrific pleated skirts!! I bet you look postively fetching in a pink mini.
Yundi will undoubtedly shower you with love and affection for such devoted antics--think of the overwhelming bliss you'll experience once that happens.
So do it!! The world (and more importantly, Mr. Li) NEEDS YOU!!!!
koji (STSD)
priceless.
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You of course, realize (or perhaps you don't in your addled brain) that this thread is not about Yundi. Why don't you hijack another one or just start your own; better yet, here's what I suggest you ponder instead of this endless nickel and dime spamming stuff, what you should really try if you really want to make a dent in your neve ending quest to foil the nefarious schemes of Lord Lang and his evil phalanx of publicists:
Tatoo (or if that's too painful) body paint "Y U N D I L I" on your chest, set up a webcam and perform creative cheers (something along the lines of "GO GO YUNDI LI GO GO YUNDI LI!!" and always end with "YAAAAAAY YUUUUNDI!!!") Just think of the hours of amusement and delight you'll have coming up with these wonderful chants--and as an ancillary benefit, all those terrific pleated skirts!! I bet you look postively fetching in a pink mini.
Yundi will undoubtedly shower you with love and affection for such devoted antics--think of the overwhelming bliss you'll experience once that happens.
So do it!! The world (and more importantly, Mr. Li) NEEDS YOU!!!!
koji (STSD)
My goodness, I seldom praise Yundi Li here. There is no need for such an anger. No more praises for Yundi Li from me here, my lips is sealed, OK now?
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You mean thick?
Wow. I came on here last night and was going to respond to this but my connection was bad, but I see I am not the only one these people are jerks too. i guess when I'm gone they have to pick on SOMEONE. i dont feel special now -.-
anyways, no i dont mean thick. i mean fast. i referred to his feux follet as fast but empty, and what's his face (i dont care enough about you people to learn your names) said, apparently in a feable attempt to insult me, that my skull was just like how i described Mei ting's Feux Follet "Fast but empty." So my skull is fast and empty. Now you see, that is quite possibly the worst attempt at an insult i have ever seen. You should have gone with this:
"i will shoot you in the uvula!"
much more effective, and somehow even less immature, even with the obligitory uvula allusion.
And mozartian, could you please explain to me how my dislike of Mei Ting's Feux Follet correlates to my own personal playing ability? If you want recordings of me, like i've told so many people, come get me on MSN messenger and i will send them to you. I have yet to disappoint. I mean seriously, that just doesn't make any sense. So because you love meiting sun, you are a better pianist than me? Or, since you were being blatantly sarcastic, does that mean you are actually worse than me? Either way your logic is lacking in several areas. Just kidding- there is no logic in what you said.
So in closing, whoever made that pathetic insult needs to be shot in the uvula, and Mozartian is a terrible pianist because she loves meiting sun. Am i being sarcastic? cause whether or not im being sarcastic certainly decides your own personal playing capabilities according to your "logic", and that those people are jerks in general, not just to me. It DOES seem that the level of admiration for meiting sun correlates directly with the level of you being an ass though. At least in general.
so mozartian, why dont you come get some of my recordings on MSN? would you like the bowen toccata? the corigliano etude fantasy? the babajanian poem for piano? some ligeti? <--- oh look i'm a better pianist than you and i hate meiting sun, so therefor since you love him you suck.
bye bye
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oh i just wanted to say that any of your retorts to what i just said will be wasting just as much space as me or the yundi li comments, therefore making you hypocrites too. wanna be jerks and hypocrites? cmon i know you cant resist.
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I really shouldn't waste my time replying to this crap, but whatever..
anyways, no i dont mean thick. i mean fast. i referred to his feux follet as fast but empty, and what's his face (i dont care enough about you people to learn your names) said, apparently in a feable attempt to insult me, that my skull was just like how i described Mei ting's Feux Follet "Fast but empty." So my skull is fast and empty. Now you see, that is quite possibly the worst attempt at an insult i have ever seen.
Explain to me what it means to have a fast skull.
My comment had nothing to do w/ your dislike of Mr. Sun's Feux-Follet, I have yet to listen to that recording and therefore have no opinion on it.
I based my insinuation that you have a thick head on your many brilliant posts, both in this thread and in others, in which you seem incapable of disagreeing w/ someone w/out seriously insulting them.
And mozartian, could you please explain to me how my dislike of Mei Ting's Feux Follet correlates to my own personal playing ability?
It doesn't, dude. I never said that. But you're amazingly critical of someone who is very talented.
so mozartian, why dont you come get some of my recordings on MSN? would you like the bowen toccata? the corigliano etude fantasy? the babajanian poem for piano? some ligeti? <--- oh look i'm a better pianist than you and i hate meiting sun, so therefor since you love him you suck.
I'm pretty sure that's the second d*mn time you're told me I suck at piano, why don't you reserve your opinion of my skill until you actually hear me (as I'm doing with you)?
All I'm asking is that you treat me with some respect.
As for getting on MSN and getting your recordings, right now I'm too freaked out to even consider giving you my screen name. Why don't you post your recordings on a site?
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Skepto, will you please post some of your recordings? You must be an unbelievably fabulous pianist.
you posted this with " fast but empty" quoted in it. meaning you sarcastically assume i am a fabulous pianist due to my thinking it is fast and empty. Or you quoted the wrong post.
"It doesn't, dude. I never said that. But you're amazingly critical of someone who is very talented." read above.
secondly, if you want respect maybe you should give it too eh?
"I'm pretty sure that's the second d*mn time you're told me I suck at piano, why don't you reserve your opinion of my skill until you actually hear me (as I'm doing with you)?" <--- no. you didnt. unless you were being sincere when you said i must be a fabulous pianist, which you were not, then you werent.
"As for getting on MSN and getting your recordings, right now I'm too freaked out to even consider giving you my screen name. Why don't you post your recordings on a site?" yeah I'm way too stupid to do anything with a screenname or something like that. me dumb ><
so, a couple things. if you're nice to me ill be nice to you, if you didnt want me to think that you were judging my abilities based on my statement of his feux Follet being fast and empty you shouldnt quote it in there, you shouldnt judge my abilities anyways as i am not judging yours (im just being a jerk and playing off of your miscommunication), and um that's probably all. But seriously come get me on MSN or i guess YIM. im on YIM less though.
and always remember, me dumb.
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hehe look at the links here. all stuff about raising IQs! it must have sensed my uberstupiditude.
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you posted this with " fast but empty" quoted in it. meaning you sarcastically assume i am a fabulous pianist due to my thinking it is fast and empty. Or you quoted the wrong post.
Yes, it was sarcastic.
"I'm pretty sure that's the second d*mn time you're told me I suck at piano, why don't you reserve your opinion of my skill until you actually hear me (as I'm doing with you)?" <--- no. you didnt. unless you were being sincere when you said i must be a fabulous pianist, which you were not, then you werent.
If you think MT Sun's playing sucks (for reasons other than jealousy), then you obviously have heard or can play better, which could mean you have a good musical ear, are a fabulous pianist, and/or are a fabulous musician. Or it could mean that you're just picky and narrow-minded about interpretations. :P
so, a couple things. if you're nice to me ill be nice to you, if you didnt want me to think that you were judging my abilities based on my statement of his feux Follet being fast and empty you shouldnt quote it in there, you shouldnt judge my abilities anyways as i am not judging yours (im just being a jerk and playing off of your miscommunication), and um that's probably all. But seriously come get me on MSN or i guess YIM. im on YIM less though.
I'm not judging your technical skills on your statement. I think musically- you and I probably have very different ideas. I will NEVER be one to play speed for the sake of speed, I'm not like that, but if the music requires it then YES! Remember everyone has different musical ideas. Get about 6 different recordings of Chopin' Op. 64 No.2, and you'll see what I mean.. RADICALLY different. (Mostly) all good performances, but soo different! So cut people slack and don't judge on a single recording! ::)
I can speak only for myself, but I have found some of Mr. Sun's recordings very musical and moving.
I don't do MSN because I hate M$, have YIM though.
and always remember, me dumb.
Not likely to forget that anytime soon... ::) <--- joke. :P
BTW how old are you anyway? I get the feeling you must be about the same age as me (16).
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err wait. I don't have YIM. I have AOL IM.
Sorry I'm always getting them confused.
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i AM very picky. I find that Mei-Ting Sun's interpretation of Feux Follet is simply fast for the sake of being fast, and is playing in an overtly virtuostic and technical and precise manner, even though Liszt should nearly always be played with the utmost amount of interpretation and romanticism, and this piece is no exception in my personal opinion. <---- this is what i should have said. but i dont ever say stuff like that because i'd rather just say "it blows"
i have AIM also.
no no not 16 for sure ^^ if i was 16 and could play the stuff i can now i would be famous much. Just out of curiosity, what made you think i was?
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i AM very picky. I find that Mei-Ting Sun's interpretation of Feux Follet is simply fast for the sake of being fast, and is playing in an overtly virtuostic and technical and precise manner, even though Liszt should nearly always be played with the utmost amount of interpretation and romanticism, and this piece is no exception in my personal opinion. <---- this is what i should have said. but i dont ever say stuff like that because i'd rather just say "it blows"
i have AIM also.
no no not 16 for sure ^^ if i was 16 and could play the stuff i can now i would be famous much. Just out of curiosity, what made you think i was?
If u think his playing is without music, solely because it is fast.
I think u are about the same level of the people at SDC, think it's good music because it's fast.
There are certain requirement of technique and tempo for certain music, and beyond that there is tolerance. MT can play pieces much harder than FF, and definately much better.
If u make your statement about his playing is bad, simply because it's fast(as i don't see u pointing out anything but saying he is capable of playing fast and difficult music.). I don't think u are as good/sophisticated as u present yourself to be.
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Did you not happen to catch where I said I disliked it because it was overly technical and precise? Didn't you notice I spent a hell of a lot more time talking about that than the overly fast playing? And what is SDC? And you contradict yourself there honeybuns. First you say I like music just because it is fast, then you say my only reason for disliking it was because it was fast. "MT" (I guess you guys are good buddies) CAN play much harder, like the Nancarrow Tango? and the Wagner/Liszt Tannhauser Overture. His Tannhauser Overture I find just generally of poor quality, but talking about that would be getting off subject. Just like this thread has been for quite some time sadly...
"I don't think u are as good/sophisticated as u present yourself to be." Just exactly how good/sophisticated am I presenting myself to be? I'm exactly as sophisticated as I present myself, as it is impossible for me not to be. And the Nancarrow Tango? is unarguably the most difficult piece in Mei-Ting's repertoire, and I play it arguably better. I guess I am presenting myself to be good enough to play the Nancarrow Tango? arguably better. What a coincidence! That's exactly how good I am!
"(as i don't see u pointing out anything but saying he is capable of playing fast and difficult music.). " Again- it's almost as if you only read the first line of my post and went to valiantly defend him, seeing as how I DID point out other things IE i AM very picky. I find that Mei-Ting Sun's interpretation of Feux Follet is simply fast for the sake of being fast, and is playing in an overtly virtuostic and technical and precise manner, even though Liszt should nearly always be played with the utmost amount of interpretation and romanticism, and this piece is no exception in my personal opinion. <---- this is what i should have said. but i dont ever say stuff like that because i'd rather just say "it blows"
i have AIM also.
no no not 16 for sure ^^ if i was 16 and could play the stuff i can now i would be famous much... <--- what I pointed out btw.
Listen. I apologized before and tried to get the topic back on track at least a little bit, but I'm not apologizing for this. Idiots who can't apparently read (or use proper grammar AT ALL) need to be told they are such.
Now everyone back to talking about Mei-Ting Sun!
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I am saying
U hate MT for his speed+difficulty.
Those doushbags like recording for the speed+difficulty.
You both are the same to me, all u can see is speed.
U condemn MT for him playing difficult piece and fast piece and disregard any musical idea of the artist.
Those people praise any recording (for eg Rebecca Penney's Chopin etude recording) for the mere reason of speed and technical issue.
Both are ignorant.
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WOW what
do you read anything i write?
i hate it because it is overly precise and technical. <--- read that! IDIOT! how many *** times do i have to *** say that?
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I am going to write something about Mei Ting, not to praise Yundi.
Is Mei Ting going to take part in the coming Chopin piano competition in Warsaw? Don’t be too disappointed if he is eliminated at one of the earlier rounds as I don’t think his music has enough elegance and subtlety to win this competition unless other competitors are worse than him in this respects, but I believe many others should be able to play Chopin better than Mei Ting. Will he be able to practise hard now and win judges’ hearts a few months later? I don't think so, these qualities are inborn. So many technically sound competitors were eliminated at the earlier rounds at Warsaw before. Don’t you think Kissin can play Chopin better than Mei Ting judging from sound tracks given above?
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I am saying
U hate MT for his speed+difficulty.
Those doushbags like recording for the speed+difficulty.
You both are the same to me, all u can see is speed.
U condemn MT for him playing difficult piece and fast piece and disregard any musical idea of the artist.
Those people praise any recording (for eg Rebecca Penney's Chopin etude recording) for the mere reason of speed and technical issue.
Both are ignorant.
"doushbags" are we? I know that I for one don't base my judgment of a recording solely on speed and technique (although the latter is undoubtably a factor.)
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I am going to write something about Mei Ting, not to praise Yundi.
Is Mei Ting going to take part in the coming Chopin piano competition in Warsaw? Don’t be too disappointed if he is eliminated at one of the earlier rounds as I don’t think his music has enough elegance and subtlety to win this competition unless other competitors are worse than him in this respects, but I believe many others should be able to play Chopin better than Mei Ting. Will he be able to practise hard now and win judges’ hearts a few months later? I don't think so, these qualities are inborn. So many technically sound competitors were eliminated at the earlier rounds at Warsaw before. Don’t you think Kissin can play Chopin better than Mei Ting judging from sound tracks given above?
yes he will be in Warsaw. I have no clue how he will do. I hope for the best of course. Here's my question that maybe some of you can answer. If he wins, would you consider him the first American to win it or would you still consider him Chinese or which ever origin he is from. I don't know if he was born somewhere else and moved here or has lived here all his life. Personally, I don't care one bit. I would just like to know if he is going to be the first american to win it.
boliver
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i have AIM also.
What's your screen name?
no no not 16 for sure ^^ if i was 16 and could play the stuff i can now i would be famous much. Just out of curiosity, what made you think i was?
You talk/write like some 16 yo guys I know. ::) :P
EDIT- no offense of course... a lot of people 'talk younger' on the internet than they do IRL..
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WOW. I hust wanted to say that these posts are some of the funniest in this forum I have ever read!
EDIT: In this sentence funny = ridiculous
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WOW. I hust wanted to say that these posts are some of the funniest in this forum I have ever read!
*wonders if they can be "translated" into a musical composition of some sort* ::) tds
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*wonders if they can be "translated" into a musical composition of some sort* ::) tds
That would be some whacky composition.
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I am saying
U hate MT for his speed+difficulty.
Those doushbags like recording for the speed+difficulty.
You both are the same to me, all u can see is speed.
U condemn MT for him playing difficult piece and fast piece and disregard any musical idea of the artist.
Those people praise any recording (for eg Rebecca Penney's Chopin etude recording) for the mere reason of speed and technical issue.
Both are ignorant.
we praise an accomplishment as is. Skepto assumes two independent accomplishments are mutually exclusive. Dont mix it up
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That would be some whacky composition.
oh, btw, do you know any whacky composition that is aesthetically effective? tds
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Mwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha <-- mine is WAY better. You need to work on yours quite a bit. Too fast. Fast isnt always everything. Arf. oh yeah forgot to talk about meiting sun. I hate him. He plays like crap, and he is a huge jerk. Poor Nancarrow. I hate it that meiting sun has become like the champion of the Tango? even though he sucks hard at it.
and his tannhauser overture sounds like a 14 year old. Well, a normal 14 year old.
Thank you Gregory. Opinion noted.
mt
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Thank you Gregory. Opinion noted.
mt
geez, I am even surprised you read this thread. It is full of jealousy and maliciousness.
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This thread is sad. It's one thing to say that you don't like Mei-Ting's recordings, or that you think they're too fast. To call them crap is pure arrogance.
I feel sorry for Mei-ting. A pianist of his skill shouldn't have this kind of assaults on his playing. Maybe if you guys were listening to my recordings, this stuff would be acceptable (though if they were my recordings there wouldn't be anyone arguing with the accusations of crappiness :P)
BTW I love your recording of the Wagner/Liszt Tannhauser. That piece is my ultra-long term (ie before I die) goal.
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artists, musicians so sensitive
great talents vunerable
wait till insult will cease
already in a battle
please be kind. best, tds
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I used this sentence before, but i think i will use it again.
Ignorance is bliss, congratulate on being the happiest person on earth.
I recommend u to join this website: www.dasdc.net
I think u will finally get back to your own kind, and have a gay-old time.
LMAO!!!! what IS THIS WEBSITE!!!
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LMAO!!!! what IS THIS WEBSITE!!!
oh the epidemy of crap?
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LMAO!!!! what IS THIS WEBSITE!!!
why does it say its Pianoforum.net ?
and why do they all talk like asians?
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why does it say its Pianoforum.net ?
and why do they all talk like asians?
Excuse me?
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Most eastern asians cannot pronounce the r sound and have difficulty with z and v. I'm assuming Siberian Husky downloaded some of dasdc.net's various member dialogues.
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Excuse me?
Will the real Mei Ting please stand up?
>_>
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Excuse me?
uh ohh..did i offend someone..oops :-X
no but seriously....
All DoZe FoOz Be TaWkIn LiKe DisSS YoOo
plus most of them have asian-like avatars and aliases...so yeah..dont get all uptight about my OBJECTIVE observation
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uh ohh..did i offend someone..oops :-X
no but seriously....
All DoZe FoOz Be TaWkIn LiKe DisSS YoOo
plus most of them have asian-like avatars and aliases...so yeah..dont get all uptight about my OBJECTIVE observation
For your information, that retarded manner of speaking/writing is supposedly in the "da hood" style, if you have any idea what that means. Unfortenately, usually objective observations (add to that several opinions made in this thread btw) are made without knowledge hence unfound and therefore often ignorant. If anything would get ppl all uptight, it's always the bloody ignorance....
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For your information, that retarded manner of speaking/writing is supposedly in the "da hood" style, if you have any idea what that means. Unfortenately, usually objective observations (add to that several opinions made in this thread btw) are made without knowledge hence unfound and therefore often ignorant. If anything would get ppl all uptight, it's always the bloody ignorance....
CONCURRED.
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CONCURRED.
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yeah me too lets hug
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why does it say its Pianoforum.net ?
and why do they all talk like asians?
::)
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who's the real lang lang and who's the real mei-ting sun?
IM NOT GREGORY BROWN ><
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It's so sick to read what u guys are saying!! :P
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have to agree - this thread has become HORRIBLE. I don't know what people are thinking. This type of behaviour has NO PLACE IN AN ARTIST's LIFE. If you want to trade insults, go somewhere else.
To bring this thread back on topic (if that's possible) I would say this:
From what little I've heard of Mei-Ting's recordings, I'm quite impressed. Perhaps he does not sound like Richter in his late years (nobody does) but please remember that he has his whole career ahead of him - it's almost scary to think of what he can still accomplish, especially with the technical foundation (Mei-Ting will you teach me? ;D) he already has.
That said, it's not like his career has been based on bizarre talent without any character or experience to back it up. It's evident to me (from reading some of his other posts and listening to his recordings) that Mei-Ting is a well-grounded and intelligent pianist. Perhaps transposing the a minor etude into b-flat minor is not a DEEP musical enhancement but remember that Horowitz would sometimes PERFORM transposed pieces (https://web.telia.com/~u85420275/concertography.htm), Hamelin enjoys inverting etudes, and Beethoven once had Liszt transpose a Bach fugue. Good for building mental stamina, concentration, and general keyboard fitness (not that Mei-Ting lacks any of these).
Finally, why do we not hear people play like Richter anymore? I believe it's because:
- technical standards are ridiculously high; you can't start late in life any more, practice three hours a day, and be successful - you're not taken seriously
- the emphasis is more on reproducable, "recording-quality" performances; taking emotional or technical risks is discouraged.
- people can't play like Richter without being accused of plagiarism
- the whole mind-set required of pianists has changed. It's hard to survive as a pianist in this century if you're depressed (like Horowitz, Rachmaninoff, ... very many others)
- we like idolizing dead pianists :(
So play on, Mei-Ting - you're the future :D