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« on: April 20, 2003, 03:40:43 AM »

who was elise?
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piano sheet music of Für Elise
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« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2003, 04:48:26 AM »

Its not elise, but they spelt it wrong when it was published. She was Beethoven's pupil
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« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2003, 06:13:04 AM »

It is believed her actual  name was Therese, but an incompetent editor misprinted the name on the score!  
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« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2003, 08:01:57 AM »

EXACTLY!  Cheesy
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« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2003, 08:59:43 AM »

so Fur means for???...........just checking
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« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2003, 12:57:55 AM »

This thread contains new information for me, but publishers of Beethoven weren't incompetent readers, he was an incompetent writer!  His handwriting was awful.
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« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2003, 02:30:14 AM »

Hi Chopistze!

I saw a draft Beethoven made of the ending of his 9th Symphony and it was unreadable!  Just lots of squiggles, dots, and lines.
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« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2003, 07:50:12 AM »

yeah, i saw beethoven's manuscripts too. some scribbles, and blots, barely readable and very dirty.

just like chopin's. scratches here, scratches there, scratches everywhere, same with dots and ink blots... lines of all sorts, sribbles in circular motion covered a whole measure...

proves it, the dirtier the work, the better!
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« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2003, 11:14:55 PM »

Hehe!  Which leads me to another question - could anybody actually read Beethoven's or Chopin's manuscripts besides themselves?  Could the editors decipher them, or did they have to be rewritten into neater forms?
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« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2003, 05:04:32 AM »

it was a little legible, though, but i'm sure the editors and publishers had a HARD time with them! i've seen berlioz' manuscript, it was neat like mendelssohn's!

bach's probably the neatest of all.
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« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2003, 07:54:02 AM »

I think that Fur Elise is a very nice song

but it gets annoying how so many people know the 1st phrase of it, but not the rest
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« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2003, 09:56:55 AM »

why does everybody, musical or not know fur elise? what is it about the piece!!
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« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2003, 09:49:04 PM »

I guess its just really famous...
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« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2003, 12:21:06 PM »

natasha......fur means for....in german

didnt u say u learnt german?Huh

german is kool but FRENCH totally rox

but german and french r superkool nyway

tata

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« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2003, 03:40:12 AM »

Beethoven wrote many pieces for his students, who just happened to mostly be female, seemingly with the intention of.....  well, let's just say, I wonder if he got laid by writing pieces for them?

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So much music, so little time........
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« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2003, 03:43:39 AM »

Has anyone seen the movie "Immortal Beloved"? In the movie it showed that Bethoven composed the song for his son (I believe his name was Karl). Oh well, that's Hollywood for you.
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« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2003, 01:47:39 AM »

actually lea SPANISH IS TOPS!
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« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2003, 07:30:47 AM »

Hey chopinetta, how about Mozart's manuscripts. I heard they were without flaw.

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