tempest 3rd movement questions

[cwjalex]

I had trouble posting the image directly so I used links sorry.

https://ibb.co/vxmjJhNK

My first question is where I should pedal the octave sections like this. I tried doing no pedal but I don't like how thin it sounds. I've listened to a bunch of performances I like but I can't tell how they are using the pedal. The picture shows what I've been doing where the horizontal line is pedal down and the vertical lines are where I quickly release the pedal. I wasn't sure how I was supposed to notate that. My sheet music doesn't have any pedal markings.

https://ibb.co/wqjg1dM

My 2nd question involves this section. All the professional recordings I've heard play F, E, and D with the right hand and then just do a slight pause for the F#. Is it acceptable for me to play the D with my left hand so I'm not compelled to slow down for the F#? ...and my left hand isn't doing anything at that moment and doesn't make the next left hand notes any more difficult.

[essence]

I thought you would be asking about the LH in the opening bars.

This seems to be well covered in

Concerning your question, what does your teacher say? Or what tutorials/videos have you looked at?

Sometimes when there is a tricky leap, it is intended, and making it 'easier' means the musical effect is lost. It is not exactly a big leap.

[cwjalex]

Concerning your question, what does your teacher say? Or what tutorials/videos have you looked at?

Sometimes when there is a tricky leap, it is intended, and making it 'easier' means the musical effect is lost. It is not exactly a big leap.

I don't have a teacher and I haven't looked at tutorials or videos. I watched the 3rd movement of that performance/analysis and it doesn't have my favorite pedal usage, but yes, you can get rid of the leap problem if you just hold down the pedal...but I don't like how muddy it sounds which is why I'm guessing a lot of pros I've listened to let the melody sing and just pause before the F#.

[lelle]

The "pause" you are hearing is an agogic thing. When singing a large interval, you typically need more time to reach from the lower pitch to the higher pitch. Stretching out larger melodic intervals a bit timewise is to simulate this effect. So don't just pause between the notes. Try to sing going from a low note to a very high note, while keeping them connected, with your voice. Then try to create the illusion of this happening on the piano.

[essence]

that's a good description. It isn't a pause, it is a stretching of time.

Without the stretching of time it would seem rushed.

So the RH jump is just the right (sic) amount of stretching!

[anacrusis]

Experiment with holding the pedal on the ascent of the figure. Experiment with holding the pedal during the descent of the figure. Listen to the result and ponder it.

Experiment with pedalling on each eighth note, a fairly short pedal.

Experiment with how the sound changes depending on how deeply you press the pedal on each approach.

Then pick and choose and combine to your liking.