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Topic: Similar piece to Op.25 No.12 (Read 2705 times)

frank_48

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Similar piece to Op.25 No.12

on: April 23, 2010, 11:45:42 AM

does anyone know of any pieces that are similar to chopins etude in the right hand, yet not as difficult?

im speaking of the up and down motion and hitting the same note with 1 and 5.

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Re: Similar piece to Op.25 No.12

Reply #1 on: April 23, 2010, 12:24:01 PM

25/12 isnt that hard, just start slowly and dont try to play it as fast as you hear on records. That is plenty of 'etude'

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pianisten1989

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Re: Similar piece to Op.25 No.12

Reply #2 on: April 23, 2010, 12:31:21 PM

Quote from: gyzzzmo on April 23, 2010, 12:24:01 PM

25/12 isnt that hard, just start slowly and dont try to play it as fast as you hear on records. That is plenty of 'etude'

That's really not true. I know ppl who can play winterwind, and the 2nd, but still not play this very well. So it depends on your hand.

Uhm.. Look through the preludes. Many of them are like the etudes, but shorter and not that difficult.

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Re: Similar piece to Op.25 No.12

Reply #3 on: April 23, 2010, 01:28:27 PM

Quote from: pianisten1989 on April 23, 2010, 12:31:21 PM

That's really not true. I know ppl who can play winterwind, and the 2nd, but still not play this very well. So it depends on your hand.

Uhm.. Look through the preludes. Many of them are like the etudes, but shorter and not that difficult.

25/12 is an etude that is NOT so determined by hand size since it is only an octave wide and in arpeggio form. Students who have trouble with this etude are usually students that have an undelopped left hand and arent used to playing arpeggio's with left.

For the rest this is a pretty straight-forward etude, easy fingering and wich can also excellently played slowly for training arpeggio's.

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frank_48

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Re: Similar piece to Op.25 No.12

Reply #4 on: April 23, 2010, 02:31:11 PM

im not sure... i'd rather practice a piece in similar fashion and get the technique that way rather than butcher such a wonderful piece.

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Re: Similar piece to Op.25 No.12

Reply #5 on: April 23, 2010, 02:44:21 PM

Quote from: frank_48 on April 23, 2010, 02:31:11 PM

im not sure... i'd rather practice a piece in similar fashion and get the technique that way rather than butcher such a wonderful piece.

As I said, Look at the preludes.

And well.. You have to reach a 6th in the righ hand, between 2 and 5. It's not huge, but it's not easier with smaller hands

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Re: Similar piece to Op.25 No.12

Reply #6 on: April 23, 2010, 03:58:18 PM

Rachmaninoff's Polichinelle.

There are some arpeggios in the right hand that end on a pinky and then the thumb plays the same note as it shifts up and octave, and vice versa.

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Re: Similar piece to Op.25 No.12

Reply #7 on: April 24, 2010, 12:01:04 AM

Quote from: pianisten1989 on April 23, 2010, 12:31:21 PM

That's really not true. I know ppl who can play winterwind, and the 2nd, but still not play this very well. So it depends on your hand.

Uhm.. Look through the preludes. Many of them are like the etudes, but shorter and not that difficult.

I agree. Personally I think 25/12 is very difficult even if I had the remotest ability to even try to play it. Yet I've seen amateur videos of children (pre-teen, with smaller hands) play this with remarkable facility. I only wish I could play it because I think it is a truly masterful work and probably my favorite of all the Chopin Etudes.

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Re: Similar piece to Op.25 No.12

Reply #8 on: April 26, 2010, 02:27:42 AM

I played 25#12 in recital before, and am working it back up for performance now.

I can't think of a similar piece in terms of the repeated notes with 5-1 fingering, but my suggestion is to stick with 25#12 and try practicing it slowly but with a dotted rhythm (dotted eighth and sixteenth) then reverse the order (sixteenth and dotted eighth). A piano teacher showed that practice technique, which forces the "fast changes" to occur at different spots, but still at an easy tempo. Then gradually increase the tempo a little each day, and occasionally switch back to the real rhythm (sixteenths) just to remind yourself how to play it evenly. The reverse rhythm (16th-dotted 8th) is especially useful because it forces a fast switch from 5th finger to 1st (RH) and 1st to 5th (LH). And making that switch accurately is really the hardest aspect of the piece, other than the sheer endurance factor.

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Re: Similar piece to Op.25 No.12

Reply #9 on: May 20, 2010, 04:30:38 PM

i believe les Jeux d'eau a la ville d-este by liszt, his Années de pèlerinage, has sections with quite a lot of arpeggios in both hands, but specifically with a section of descending and ascending arpeggios in theRH that repeat on the octave in a similar style to the chopin etude. Admittedly the section in question is not that long itself but it's quite lovely, relatively self contained and develops with a quite useful section with arpeggios and repeated notes.

Ok it's liszt so i'm not suggesting learning the whole piece as an 'easy alternative', but as an isolated section it may help with coordination of the right hand using the same movement of the etude, while the left hand plays chorded melody. and the section in question isn't to hard too but delightful enough to warrant replay value once you've got it under the fingers.

Not sure if that's what you had in mind but hope it's not a terrible suggestion :S

(and sorry i don't have the music to hand so i don't have bar numbers, but it'll be pretty obvious if you look at the music...i think)

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Re: Similar piece to Op.25 No.12

Reply #10 on: May 20, 2010, 05:54:28 PM

I agree that it depends on your hand (not necessarily the size)... I am actually able to play through the Op10 #1 (after lots of work these past few weeks) at around 120 metronome mark, but the Op 25#12 IMO is tougher.

Debussy's 'Reflets dans l'Eau' has lots of arpeggios that fit really well under the hand, and a climactic section with a massive Eb major arpeggio that both hands play. Check that one out!

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