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anyone here try Cziffra transcriptions?
on: April 07, 2005, 02:28:16 PM
i have a problem
yesterday i started to learn the flight of bumblebee by cziffra and after 40 mins of practise my wrist get pain even i'm sure that i'm completely relax when i drill with that octave
so do u have some advice about this
thank in advance
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Re: anyone here try Cziffra transcriptions?
Reply #1 on: April 07, 2005, 02:43:32 PM
Wait some weeks until the pain comes down. If you have tendon pains practicing it is only going to make it worse and the tendon pain is going to make pinpointing the technical problem harder.
Trust me. I F-ed up my wrist twice attempting chopin op 10. no .1 and twice doing op 2 no. 2.
When the tendon pain comes down, practice it at GLACIAL speed. Yes, slow practice doesn't help speed, but it gives you a rough idea of what the piece is like without mucking around with your wrist.
If that still agitates your wrist wait for a few years. After all we can't be good at all things at all the same time
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Re: anyone here try Cziffra transcriptions?
Reply #2 on: April 08, 2005, 12:07:17 PM
I am sorry to hear that my friend.Typical example where you rushed for many hours to study something you did not have the right technical tools yet.
If you practiced very fast during those forty minutes is wrong.Now if you practiced slowly and then tried it at prestismo tempo then again it is wrong.At slow tempo we acquire a different kinesthetic sense than when we play fast.Try to practice free fall (read gyorgy sandor book on piano play,i think free fall helps relax a stiff wrist i do not mean to play that piece with free fall) .
Everything has to be relaxed because everything is connected altogether.(the wrist is connected to the forearm,the forearm to upperarm then to shoulders,if something is stiff we are doomed).Tell us more about the style you use,do you employ the german school or the russian?How do you play octaves?With wrist movementS?with elbow?How do you sit?
I think you overdid out of excitement ( you found the scores of something you heard from cziffra) but Cziffra plays it way too fast.Second that transcription has a LOT OF WRONG NOTES.(yes the editor did a messy job).
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Re: anyone here try Cziffra transcriptions?
Reply #3 on: April 08, 2005, 12:46:18 PM
You should also try his William Tell, tritsch tratsch polka or the beautiful blue danube transcriptions.
They'll kick your ass
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Re: anyone here try Cziffra transcriptions?
Reply #4 on: April 08, 2005, 03:48:18 PM
William Tell, tritsch tratsch polka or the beautiful blue danube --- i want to try it but i choose flight of bumblebee first
i agree with nikodr that the score has many wrong notes and the editor did a very difficult job for a pianist to read
about the technique of free fall i know something about that (i think) can you explain more about it
i use the way of weight release that i learned from a pianist who studied with Arrau
btw i didnt practise very fast as cziffra played (i dont even think i can) nor play slow and then prestissimo but i practise at quite slow speed (not too fast and too slow) and try to relax everyway of my body so that i'm very curious that why i got hurt
thank
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