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 General consensus on Moonlight Sonata & Fur Elise and other questions
May 13, 2009, 09:01:35 AM by nosrepemos
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Hey all, first post here, woo, whatever  .
So I have finally decided, after a ~5-6 year break from piano lessons, that I want to return to the great artform that is piano music.
I have restarted my lessons a couple of weeks ago with the same teacher as before, and with a schedule of meeting every Thursday for 30 minutes. When asked about what she thought my grade level was after playing some old pieces from my old lesson books, she said 'intermediate', whatever that means.
All I know is I can play Franz Schubert's The Unfinished Symphony and his Serenade with relative ease, only having problems with getting the timing right on the triplets for Serenade. Both of these are in the book Piano Pieces for ChildrenThose are the only two assignments I got so far, having started so recently.
Righty then, enough about me, and on to the main subject! I am currently learning the first movement of the Moonlight Sonata, and actually have been for the last few weeks. It's a very moving piece, and right now I am working on bringing out the emotions in the music, and getting it smooth in general.
Now, my questions about the sonata are:
1. Is it generally look down upon intermediate players who only learn the first movement of the sonata and give nary a wink to the second and third movements? I surely want to learn the last movement, and the second movement 'seems' easy, but I know both are out of my grasp compared to the relative ease of the first movement. And I know that when you learn a sonata, you're supposed to learn all the movements in them, but I think the only movement I can learn & play here without absolutely butchering it is the first movement. Just wondering about your opinions on this issue.
2. What do you think the tempo of the first movement should be? I personally defy the alla breve notation and prefer to take the Adagio Sostenuto tempo marking very literally, playing it slow and drawn out, because I think it accentuates the melancholic feeling of the piece very nicely. However, I want to know if you guys think I'm doin' it wrong, or if the 'it's your own interpretation' excuse will work here.
3. Finally, my teacher said that recitals will be during the last week of either October or November. I am confident I can get my technical ability up by then, and I want to make the Moonlight Sonata First Movement my recital piece. I am wondering if this is a good idea? Would a returning intermediate player be able to express all of the feeling of this piece during a recital? Or should I choose something else as a recital piece?
On to the next subject, Fur Elise. Yes, that quintessential piece that everyone and their grandmother/father/uncle/brother/cousin can play. Even I remember playing it for a recital during my earlier years, although that was a fairly simplified version of only the first 'section' of the piece (the one with all the arpeggios, if you know what I mean.)
Now I want to learn the whole piece properly, but I am having doubts about it:
1. Would it be advisable to skip on this piece for now due to its immense popularity? I don't want to be 'yet another person who can play Fur Elise, yet poorly.'
2. If I were to learn it, how hard are the other 'sections' after the first one like? I'd imagine they'd be harder in comparison to the part with the arpeggios, but how much harder?
Finally, other questions:
1. Could you recommend any good books for an intermediate returning player? Right now, I have Piano Pieces for Children, The Virtuoso Pianist in 60 Exercises, Developing Artist Piano Literature Book 3 by Faber, and some Scales & Arpeggios exercise book which I forget the name of.
2. What are some nice pieces for an intermediate student to practice? Keyword here being 'nice', obviously you'll get really bored if you practice really boring pieces, so I'm mainly looking for pieces with some emotion in them, similar to the Moonlight Sonata.
3. And are there any good sites with free downloadable sheet music? I know, sure I could simply pay the minuscule 5 dollars a month here, but being a jobless and credit-card-less 16 year old doesn't help my case.
Thanks in advance, and thanks for tolerating my TL;DRness!
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Am I ready to play 'Fur Elise'?
May 03, 2009, 03:19:05 PM by concerto_love
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I've just passed my grade 2 exam and now I'm in grade 3. Learning Czerny op.139 book 2 and first lesson in Bach right now, Burgmuller will come soon.
What I want to ask is... My friends who study in different place with me already played it when they're grade 1 or 2. But when I asked to my teacher can she teach me to play that, she said that I'm not ready for it, I better work on my currently learning pieces right now.
My friends said that I should talked to my teacher again about it, but I'm afraid since I can't reach the target in the last exam. Am I really not ready to take that piece? Or it's just my teacher who's to strict... For notes, my phrasing and touches are really bad...
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I'm not comfortable playing the "fur elise"
May 07, 2008, 03:55:56 PM by fermata_88
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I am going to play "fur elise" tomorrow in my Piano Pedagogy class. I'm also going to play it for the juries next week. Frankly, I don't like it because it's overplayed but I don't have a choice because my teacher wanted me this piece. I do like this piece but a lot of people know about it and I'm not just comfortable.
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re: fur elise
February 17, 2008, 04:22:03 AM by puddy
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There was a question about how to play the chord e,g,bflat and sharp and c in the second section with the repeated A in the left hand. If I'm not mistaken, the sharp refers to the c. This would make the chord a diminished seventh csharp,e,g,bflat in first inversion which resolves to the next chord which is the tonic chord of d minor in second inversion, taking the left hand A as the lowest note. Hope this technical explanation helps! 
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Beethoven. "Fur Elise" ( +"Alphabet and 3 Rules of Dynamics" in comments )
November 15, 2006, 10:42:08 AM by vladimirdounin
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I am sorry that I had no opportunity to participate in the work of this wonderful Forum for more than one year. I am very moved and appreciated that some of the members of this Forum still remember me and send sometimes e-mails to me.
May this my recording (encore from ordinary concert - I recently played it at "Glenn Gould Concert Studio" of Canadian Broadcasting Corporation - CBC, Toronto, Ontario, October 20. 2006) be my HELLO to everybody who remembers my postings about Fine Indication Of Relative Note Intensity (FIORNI) and around this and other problems in performing and teaching.
With my best wishes,
Vladimir Dounin
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 Fur Elise = Fur Therese
October 20, 2006, 07:31:46 PM by presto agitato
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Did you know that the orginal title of this ultra-famous piano work is "Fur Therese". The editor made a big mistake LOL.
Beethoven also dedicated one of his piano sonatas to Countess Therese von Brunsvik
Sonata No. 24 in F sharp major Op 78
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Help! (Für Elise)
October 18, 2006, 09:40:12 PM by garetanne
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OK... so I must be stupid as everyone else seems to be able to learn Fur Elise 1-2-3, while I struggle with it.
I just started learning the third section where it starts the 8th note repeats of A.
In the 2nd measure of this there is a cord that shows c, b, g, e with a flat AND a sharp sign on the b. How is that played???
~scratching my head.
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How do I play the turn in Fur Elise
September 17, 2006, 09:36:57 PM by barnowl
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As you will see in the attachment, there's what I presume to be a Turn sign (that flattened and backwards S, rotated 90º) at the top of the page, with no note beneath it.
Please tell me how to play it and when (i.e., on which note in the Bass Clef).
I could wait until my teacher comes tomorrow to find out, but this would give me a headstart. So I hope you don't mind my asking.
Shouldn't there be an Alt Character for this Turn symbol? Like the degree sign up there (º).
If you don't know what Alt Characters are and...
You want to type 90º, first type the 90, then without moving the cursor, hit numlock on your keypad. Then hold down the Alt key, and on the key pad type 167. You can do this here in a post or in a Word Processor, or whatever. There are several Alt Character pages available on the web. If you want to explore the possibilities try
http://www.tedmontgomery.com/tutorial/ALTchrc.html
or simply Google on Special Alt Characters. They'll show you a grid of them. Maddeningly there doesn't seem to be a rigid system for the way the characters are arranged on the grid, so you often must look long and hard to find what you want.
There are a lot of these Alt Characters that aren't on your standard keyboard: ½, ¼, and if you want to show off your Español, you can make those curlycued n's all day long. ¿, too, as well as upside down Excamation points and even ®. Good stuff.
½ (Alt 171)
¼ (Alt 172)
ñ (Alt 164)
¿ (Alt 168)
® (Alt 0174)
I didn't include the ¡ because I don't really know if it's an upside down Exclamation Point. If it is, it's pretty week. Go search. Maybe you'll find a better one. Okay okay, it's Alt 173,
but I don''t like it, and it might well be wrong.
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