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Offline steinwayargentina

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Rachmaninof etude tableaux op.39 no.5
on: October 29, 2006, 10:39:36 AM
Hi this is Rachmaninoff Etude-Tableaux eb minor op.39 no.5 recorded yesterday on a 3/4 Faziolli it has one or two little details. I expect feedback. thanks.

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Re: Rachmaninof etude tableaux op.39 no.5
Reply #1 on: October 30, 2006, 04:21:05 AM
you are free to make any comments  on it. Seriusly! Thanks a lot.

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Re: Rachmaninof etude tableaux op.39 no.5
Reply #2 on: October 31, 2006, 12:00:28 AM
For me this etude is beyond words at all. It is so incredible. When I even think of it, I almost explode from----passion!! And that is what I miss in your performance. All the more p and tender parts are fine. But forget your caution and play the h... out of yourself. Of course in an artistic way. Because you can play the piano obviously.  ;D Hope this helps.

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Re: Rachmaninof etude tableaux op.39 no.5
Reply #3 on: October 31, 2006, 01:18:54 AM
I agree with wolfi, you sound too careful. The good thing is that we can hear every note and you illuminate the counterpoint and melodic phrases and structure beautifully, just as in your Bach. Rachmaninov's use of counterpoint is often overlooked because of the attractiveness of the pianistic layout, and it's refreshing to hear it illuminated. I think you need to think of this in "widescreen format", and merge the phrases into each other more, right now it sounds a bit sectionalized. Your conception is very good; now make it bigger. Let's hear what that Fazioli can do!  8)

You say it's a 3/4 Fazioli; how long is that?

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Re: Rachmaninof etude tableaux op.39 no.5
Reply #4 on: October 31, 2006, 05:13:35 AM
You have some nice colors going on, but I must agree with the other posts.  The melody needs more forward motion, as a lot of times it seems you stop the flow in order to observe the harmony and big chords/octaves in the left hand (and in the beginning when both hands are playing chords with the melody).  It doesn't need to be faster, but it just needs a bit more 'horizontal' motion.  It also doesn't mean I don't like what you're doing, but just remember that everything you do needs to be in proportion.

One more thing... small thing... etude-tableaux is plural.  Drop the 'x' when you're only playing one.  ;)

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Re: Rachmaninof etude tableaux op.39 no.5
Reply #5 on: November 01, 2006, 01:01:59 PM
Hi every body thank you for all your comments, I think all of you agree whith the passion thing and I must confess that I certainly Play this etude in a more passionate way in public but in order to record it ant to avoiding mistakes I was forced to play more with the brain to control all the things that this etude demands. Anyways I will try to re-analyze mi own conception of the etude to put it in an Horizontal way as somebody say.
JLH a apreciate to much your comments,  I have listened to you in your different posts and your Rachmaninoffs are really good stuff. Thank you one more time and say hello to mister Fazziolli for me.
Arensky: thanks for your motivatonal words. I dont know how long is that Faziolli but I will try to find that information.

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Re: Rachmaninof etude tableaux op.39 no.5
Reply #6 on: November 09, 2006, 01:45:08 PM
Hi steinwayargentina, just listened to your performance and I find it very interesting =) I liked the way you bring out the melody and it is quite clear from everything else. I find people play this piece with too much pedal and lack of clarity. I'm also playing this piece, in fact I just played it the other day for a gala. I get what the others saying about passion, I do play at a different tempo to you and sometimes I play the dynamics slightly different as well. Wouldn't mind sharing some thoughts if you wouldn't mind hearing it! Also in my copy I have some wierd accidentals maybe I could clarify with you, I'm playing from a shirmer edition so perhaps its not accurate?... anyway
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Re: Rachmaninof etude tableaux op.39 no.5
Reply #7 on: November 10, 2006, 05:05:57 PM
Hi steinwayargentina, just listened to your performance and I find it very interesting =) I liked the way you bring out the melody and it is quite clear from everything else. I find people play this piece with too much pedal and lack of clarity. I'm also playing this piece, in fact I just played it the other day for a gala. I get what the others saying about passion, I do play at a different tempo to you and sometimes I play the dynamics slightly different as well. Wouldn't mind sharing some thoughts if you wouldn't mind hearing it! Also in my copy I have some wierd accidentals maybe I could clarify with you, I'm playing from a shirmer edition so perhaps its not accurate?... anyway

Hi Ludwig I will be very happy to hear your playing of Rachs. Etude. I think this is the sense of this forum. So post it.  I think people uses to much pedal in this etude like you and also if you see the score there are some rests betwen the diferents armonies in the acompaiment. How old are you? Well I wait for your recording.  Regards.
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