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Offline opus57

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Composing an own piece... I need tips!
on: October 08, 2007, 08:14:20 PM
Seid gegrüsst! Hi together

I got a very interesting homework in school: Compose an own work for a melodious instrument, form and lenght doesn't matter. So I threw myself in the mysterious swamps of creativity and I'm trying out some things and so on. I borrowed some books about harmonics but the most things are easier to learn when you find them out by yourself...

So I wanted to ask here for some tips for composing an own piece. I want to do it in the classical "Sonatenhauptsatzform" (no idea what this means in english. "typical form of the sonatas main movement"?) However: Has anybody truly whisdom in his pianists soul and wants to share this with me? I would be very pleased!

And there is one question at the moment: How can I build a bridge passage from f sharp minor to g minor? on three ways: with one chord, with 4 single tones and with 8 single tones...

thx very much and good night
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Re: Composing an own piece... I need tips!
Reply #1 on: October 08, 2007, 09:34:43 PM
Sonatenhauptsatzform means in englisch, first-movement sonata form.  The meaning is debatable, but academically it usually refers to an exposition with a main theme (sometimes an introduction), a second theme in the dominant (or relative major if it begins in a minor key); a development which is harmonically unstable and usually breaks up the themes into small pieces; and an exposition that resolves the development and presents the second theme in the main key.

To get from f-sharp minor to g minor, use A major as a pivot chord (III in f#, V/V in g minor).

Walter Ramsey


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Re: Composing an own piece... I need tips!
Reply #2 on: October 08, 2007, 09:39:49 PM
OK thank you. I'll test it...
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Re: Composing an own piece... I need tips!
Reply #3 on: October 08, 2007, 11:17:05 PM

You could try a direct modulation and create a vivid juxtaposition between the two themes.

Or use the +6 as a secondary dominant. Might be interesting.

SJ

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Re: Composing an own piece... I need tips!
Reply #4 on: November 02, 2007, 01:38:01 PM
So there is another question: I'd like to create a tremolo-passage (tremolo in octaves) and I'm not sure what's the smoothest way to form the bass in triplets (triole/tercet/however they are named in english) into the main voice with the mirrored main theme and the sopran changes to tremoli... I can't imagine a good solution. I listened to Beethoven and others but it didn't helped me much.

So if somebody has an idea... (and if nobody has any idea--> ask for further explanation  :-\ ) I HOPE their is a rule of thumb or something...
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Re: Composing an own piece... I need tips!
Reply #5 on: November 02, 2007, 01:52:34 PM
Can you mail me the thing? I have difficulties to imagine what exactly you want to do.  :)

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Re: Composing an own piece... I need tips!
Reply #6 on: November 02, 2007, 03:21:38 PM
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I'm not sure what's the smoothest way to form the bass in triplets (triole/tercet/however they are named in english) into the main voice with the mirrored main theme and the sopran changes to tremoli... I can't imagine a good solution
holy sh*t!  ;D

you're asking for help in composition and what you do is to transform a triplet figure into a mirrored main subject while transforming the soprano voice into a tremolo?
yeeesss....i don't know what you need, but for a first composition you're flying pretty high^^
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