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Offline luc

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Accidental
on: July 07, 2005, 06:06:19 PM
Ok, I have a problem with a piece:
It's written in F major. And there's this chord with a C, a G and a B (with the C as the highest note) . and this B is sharped. How am I supposed to play this? Is the sharp meant as a natural accidental??
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Offline xvimbi

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Re: Accidental
Reply #1 on: July 07, 2005, 06:19:58 PM
That sounds quite unusual - one would think the composer could have used a C instead. So, are you sure it's not a natural sign? They look awfully similar and depending on the edition/pdf/copy/hand writing one can easily confuse them.

A couple of hints to help you resolve this:
- how does the section sound with the different options? If it's a generally melodious piece, that should reveal the correct note, or at least narrow down the options.
- Is there another section that is identical or very similar (such as a sequence), which could give away the intent?

Offline luc

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Re: Accidental
Reply #2 on: July 07, 2005, 06:27:03 PM
It sounds very wierd when I play G,  B, C
 It's a Brahms waltz (op. 39 nr. 9). The chord is in the second bar (left hand).
Maybe it's a mistake, because when I play G, Bflat, C it sounds good
(It's also possible that I'm very very stupid now  ;D)
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Offline xvimbi

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Re: Accidental
Reply #3 on: July 07, 2005, 06:42:30 PM
It looks to me as if the # belongs to the C, not to the B. That wouldn't make sense anyway, because B# and C are enharmonic, and both are in that chord. Am I looking at the right spot?

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Re: Accidental
Reply #4 on: July 07, 2005, 06:47:16 PM
Yes, that's possible. Would sound at least acceptable  ;D
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Re: Accidental
Reply #5 on: July 07, 2005, 10:27:58 PM
Yes, that's possible. Would sound at least acceptable  ;D

xvimbi is correct. The chord is G - Bb - C#. The chord is A9 - or the dominant 9th (A is missing, E is supplied in the bass), so not only acceptable as orthodox I-V progression. (the piece is in D minor, so the first bar is a Dm chord - the tonic, followed by the dominant in the second bar).

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Offline Floristan

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Re: Accidental
Reply #6 on: July 08, 2005, 04:09:32 PM
The C# appears first in the right hand, confirming that is the intent in the left hand as well.  Bernard's analysis is flawless, as always.
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