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Offline thierry13

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Virtuosic baroque piece.
on: July 18, 2005, 03:38:41 PM
Hi, I'm auditioning at a conservatory in marsch this year, and I have to do a baroque pieces. But I do not know a lot of Baroque repertoire. Are there any really virtuosic pieces in the baroque repertoire? And by virtuosic, I don't mean fast, I mean only great virtuosos can play well. Are there any like that? And what is the hardest p&f in WTK 1 and 2? Anyway I'm searching for a good piece. Since I have allmost a year to prepare, I can't really play something as easy as no.2 from WTK1, I would be finished after same not one month. I want something that is a large scale learning.

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Re: Virtuosic baroque piece.
Reply #1 on: July 18, 2005, 03:42:42 PM
WTK Book 1, B minor. Should keep you busy. ;) Have fun.
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Re: Virtuosic baroque piece.
Reply #2 on: July 18, 2005, 04:21:33 PM
Bach-Busoni Chaconne, BWV 1004

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Re: Virtuosic baroque piece.
Reply #3 on: July 18, 2005, 04:37:05 PM
I didn't tought about the bach-busoni chaconne. But since it's transcribed by Busoni, Isn't it a romantic transcription more than a baroque piece?

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Re: Virtuosic baroque piece.
Reply #4 on: July 18, 2005, 04:43:55 PM
There's that one movement of one of the partitas, (I think it;s a gigue) it's really fast and has all kinds of cool crossovers. I played through it, (never perfected it) but it didn;t really seem so hard, and it was definitely virtusoic depending on tempi.

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Re: Virtuosic baroque piece.
Reply #5 on: July 18, 2005, 04:50:10 PM
Okay and by the way the b minor P&F WTK book 1 can't keep me busy till march.

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Re: Virtuosic baroque piece.
Reply #6 on: July 18, 2005, 05:01:15 PM
How about a Bach partita - probably no. 2 or 5 because 6 is about half an hour long.  Or you could look at the chromatic fantasia and fugue BVW903.  These are all pretty advanced (I think the fantasia's on the LRSM syllabus) but I don't know if they'll keep you busy until March if you're a 'great virtuoso'.

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Re: Virtuosic baroque piece.
Reply #7 on: July 18, 2005, 05:12:16 PM
I would recomend these pieces

Toccata in F# minor
Toccata in D minor
Prelude and Fugue in B major WTC Book 2
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Re: Virtuosic baroque piece.
Reply #8 on: July 18, 2005, 05:25:43 PM
There's that one movement of one of the partitas, (I think it;s a gigue) it's really fast and has all kinds of cool crossovers. I played through it, (never perfected it) but it didn;t really seem so hard, and it was definitely virtuosic depending on tempi.



That would be the Giga from partita no. 1

You could also try:

Couperin - Le tic toc choc
Jacques Duphly - Chaconne - get the score here: https://jacques.duphly.free.fr/
Handel - Chaconne
Scarlatti - there are literally hundred of very virtuosic sonatas, try k24, k141, k120 (if you are inot crossing hands), k366 for a start.

Best wishes,
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Re: Virtuosic baroque piece.
Reply #9 on: July 18, 2005, 05:26:22 PM
Bach - Reger: Toccata and Fugue in D minor
Bach - Busoni: Toccata and Fugue in D minor
The masterpiece tell the performer what to do, and not the performer telling the piece what it should be like, or the cocomposer what he ought to have composed.

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Re: Virtuosic baroque piece.
Reply #10 on: July 18, 2005, 07:39:28 PM
I think pieces like the Bach-Busoni Chaconne are considered Romantic so that might not be a good idea, though I do love the piece.  I always recommend a set of Scarlatti Sonatas:  one of the fugues and then two of that faster, nastier ones.  Of the fugues K. 417 is my favorite, and then K. 141, K. 239, K. 298, K.448, K. 450, and K. 517 are all good ones.  K. 517 is my favorite; check that one out =)

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Re: Virtuosic baroque piece.
Reply #11 on: July 18, 2005, 07:48:49 PM
bach toccata in C MINOR is the most ridiculous baroque piece ive ever seen.
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Re: Virtuosic baroque piece.
Reply #12 on: July 18, 2005, 07:58:25 PM
bach toccata in C MINOR is the most ridiculous baroque piece ive ever seen.

IN what way? ;D
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Re: Virtuosic baroque piece.
Reply #13 on: July 18, 2005, 08:06:28 PM
chromatic fantasy & fugue...

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Re: Virtuosic baroque piece.
Reply #14 on: July 18, 2005, 08:45:56 PM
I think pieces like the Bach-Busoni Chaconne are considered Romantic so that might not be a good idea, though I do love the piece.

Alright, alright. Sticklers! ;)

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Re: Virtuosic baroque piece.
Reply #15 on: July 18, 2005, 10:23:42 PM
Okay and by the way the b minor P&F WTK book 1 can't keep me busy till march.

Till March? Any one piece that'll keep you busy till March is probably out of your reach. But if you want a number of pieces to work on for a while, do a cycle. French or English Suites perhaps?
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Re: Virtuosic baroque piece.
Reply #16 on: July 18, 2005, 10:31:35 PM
If transcriptions count:

"Transcription in the light of harpsichord technique of the chromatic fantasia of J.S. Bach followed by a fugue" by Sorabji   ;)

Virtuosic enough?   8)

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Re: Virtuosic baroque piece.
Reply #17 on: July 19, 2005, 12:05:08 AM
Till March? Any one piece that'll keep you busy till March is probably out of your reach. But if you want a number of pieces to work on for a while, do a cycle. French or English Suites perhaps?

Great idea
Whisky and Messiaen

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Re: Virtuosic baroque piece.
Reply #18 on: July 19, 2005, 12:27:43 AM
I'm gonna tryout bach chromatic fantasy&fugue. Sounds good  :D Sure won't keep me busy till march, but it is a great piece! I'll probably look at some more scarlatti sonatas too. Thanks all!

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Re: Virtuosic baroque piece.
Reply #19 on: July 19, 2005, 02:57:10 AM
For auditions, what do they generally consider transcriptions (Busoni, Kempff, Sorabji, etc) of Bach works? Do they fall under the Baroque category, or under like... major romantic/20th century works?

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Re: Virtuosic baroque piece.
Reply #21 on: July 19, 2005, 04:52:45 AM
Watch out man, the Chromatic Fantasy and Fugue should give any lover of music or virtuoso a lifetime of challenge. Also the Bach G minor Toccata is wicked hard and you could try a Handel Suite- They are underrated compositions and deserve more respect. Check out Glenn Gould's harpsichord recordings of them for proof. Good Luck! -ML

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Re: Virtuosic baroque piece.
Reply #22 on: July 19, 2005, 04:53:43 AM
Watch out man, the Chromatic Fantasy and Fugue should give any lover of music or virtuoso a lifetime of challenge. Also the Bach G minor Toccata is wicked hard and you could try a Handel Suite- They are underrated compositions and deserve more respect. Check out Glenn Gould's harpsichord recordings of them for proof. Good Luck! -ML

Handel suites  ::)

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Re: Virtuosic baroque piece.
Reply #23 on: July 19, 2005, 07:17:50 AM
I agree with Goldberg Variations

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Re: Virtuosic baroque piece.
Reply #24 on: July 19, 2005, 12:20:20 PM
Many notes  :P
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Re: Virtuosic baroque piece.
Reply #25 on: July 19, 2005, 12:49:00 PM
or don't play anything by bach or scarlatti play somthing unknown

there are some great sonatas by Baldassare Galuppi ( i can't remember the spelling)
check them out  you'll love them and i'm sure the judges will love them i have no idea why is he not better known he was very popular in his time.

Offline jehangircama

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Re: Virtuosic baroque piece.
Reply #26 on: July 19, 2005, 01:43:31 PM
definitely Chromatic Fantasy and Fugue
also the Italian Concerto is a nice piece
the English and French suites are also good
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Re: Virtuosic baroque piece.
Reply #27 on: July 24, 2005, 01:56:29 AM
I second the idea of a Handel Suite!
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