Liszt Concerto No. 3!! Op posth.

[viking]

After many hours of researching on google, only to find no recording available, and only sheet music available for purchase, I stumbled across a recently recorded CD of this at my cities public library.  I will be ripping the concerto to my hard drive and any who would like I am pleased to say, I can save you hours of trouble.  But then again, maybe im a little slow and everyone here has the recording...
SAM

[Skeptopotamus]

is it any good?

[viking]

The Andante is very beautiful.  The piece runs about 16 min.  Not as serious as liszt2, not as virtuosic as Liszt 1, but quite playful and fun.  I wonder if it has been performed in Canada?  Maybe I could win a concerto competition and have the Canadian premiere if I learned it...
SAM

[BoliverAllmon]

After many hours of researching on google, only to find no recording available, and only sheet music available for purchase, I stumbled across a recently recorded CD of this at my cities public library.  I will be ripping the concerto to my hard drive and any who would like I am pleased to say, I can save you hours of trouble.  But then again, maybe im a little slow and everyone here has the recording...
SAM

when you get it send it my way. ballmoniii@yahoo.com

[JP]

I'd like a copy.. please.
 

[allchopin]

Are you talking about his Pathetique Concerto in E-?  It is really beautiful - I was able to find a recording with my P2P program.  Although I only found the first movement - could you send the rest to putyourspam @ gmail.com? Thanks

[donjuan]

I am also interested in this. Can you send it to me please?
orienlee@gmail.com

you arent talking about the malediction concerto, are you?

[keys]

You know what'd be mean? If I learned the same one. mwahaha... I'd never do it.

[viking]

Are you talking about his Pathetique Concerto in E-?  It is really beautiful - I was able to find a recording with my P2P program.  Although I only found the first movement - could you send the rest to putyourspam @ gmail.com? Thanks

This is yet ANOTHER concerto by liszt!  Nobody knows about it!!  It is in Eb major.  Ill send it to you soon.
SAM

[sergei r]

Wow, I never knew he composed 3...send it to me please:

gudjohnsen_22_@hotmail.com

[viking]

So... Now that people have heard it, what do you think of it?? I simply loooove the andante.  I think it would be great to learn.  It doesnt seem too demanding either, only being 16 min long.  Its probably not as tough as either other Liszt concerti.
SAM

[prometheus]

Concerto in E minor for Piano and Strings 'Malédiction' S121 is great.

There is also the Concerto pathétique in E minor version for piano and orchestra by Eduard Reuss and Liszt, S365a

And Concerto in E flat Op posth., S125a

And then there is the Grand Solo de concert S365


Note that I do not know how finished these works were when they left Liszt's hands.

I like the first one best.

[mlsmithz]

Good to know I'm not the only person on these boards who has heard this piece!  I found the sheet music a few years ago in Chappell Music on Bond Street in London (the only music I wanted but couldn't find in Chappell was the Lyapunov etudes, which they said they could order in four volumes and have it in three weeks.... unfortunately I was on a weeklong visit to the UK at the time and haven't been back since), and managed to track down an MP3 which took several hours to download over a file sharing server (I've since sworn off file sharing servers after having to re-format my hard drive because of spyware - it may not have been caused by file sharing but I'm playing it safe).  The main motif, for those who haven't heard it, is a rhythmically uniform Eb-Eb-Bb (down a fourth, not up a fifth) - not only is this the opening, played by the tympani alone, but it appears in the coda and especially in the closing bars.  In typical Liszt fashion, he uses the same themes (not just the motif I just mentioned) in several very different guises throughout the piece (think, for example, of how the opening of the upbeat fourth movement of No.1 uses the opening theme from the laid back second movement, and there are countless examples in the B minor sonata).  It's probably the prize gem of my MP3 collection.  I would make it available on request but it's something like 18 megabytes (it's 160Kbps rather than 128), and besides, it sounds as though there are plenty of sources here already.

[viking]

Who is the soloist in your recording?  Mine is of Jeno Jando.  It would be interesting to know who all has recorded this piece.
SAM

[prometheus]

Leslie Howard recording everything. He researched, reconstructed and prepared the scores. Some of those pieces have only be recorded by him.

But I think Jeno Jando is generally the better pianist.

[hodi]

send to hodgavriel@gmail.com please

[donjuan]

Thank you for the recording, viking.

Yes, upon lis(z)tening, I recognized it because I had heard it before on Leslie Howard's CD.

Details are here:
https://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/details/67401.asp

So... nothing new to write home about, but thanks so much for reminding us of this most interesting work! 

[mlsmithz]

I'm not sure who was responsible for my recording (and given how long it took me to discover that my MP3 of the first movement of the Shostakovich cello sonata was by Lynn Harrell and Vladimir Ashkenazy, I may not find out any time soon!), but the time frame (around the 14 minute mark) fits Howard's recording according to that Hyperion page, so it may be the piano world's premier Liszt interpreter at work there.

[apion]

When I researched Liszt several years ago, I recall reading that he wrote a total of six or seven piano concerti - - I was SHOCKED!!!     

I have no idea why the others are never performed.

[donjuan]

When I researched Liszt several years ago, I recall reading that he wrote a total of six or seven piano concerti - - I was SHOCKED!!!     

I have no idea why the others are never performed.

well.... supply and demand I guess.  Liszt DID write a fair amount of garbage in his time, lacking the subtlties of chopin or Schubert so maybe the audiences dont like some of his other concerti.  If they dont sell tickets at the theatre, then the orchestra/pianist will not go to the trouble to learn it..... logically thinking, that is.

[prometheus]

People don't know those pieces so how do they know it's a bad piece? It's just conservatism at work.

I am not saying they are all great but they can't be much worse than Chopin's.

[donjuan]

People don't know those pieces so how do they know it's a bad piece? It's just conservatism at work.

I am not saying they are all great but they can't be much worse than Chopin's.

But why wouldnt they know the piece?  Why wouldnt all the concerti have the same oppurtunity to become well known?  You dont think Liszt composed these pieces in private for no one to hear, do you?  Face it - if music is great, it cannot possibly stay unknown throughout all these generations.  Unless this music has been just recently discovered in a corner in the Liszt library, Im sure it had the same chance to become as popular as Concerti No. 1 or 2 or totentanz... It's just a matter of what people like and therefore what music is repeated all these years in concert halls, and therefore what music is recorded on CDs for us to familiarize ourselves with today.

donjuan

Im a little confused..

[prometheus]

People are lazy. Most people here don't know the piece. I haven't even had the time to find out how good or bad all of those pieces are. Really, if you were to ask people entering a concert hall their opinion about Liszt piano concerto in Em or his Eb Posth no one will know anything about it. Depending on the music being played they may not even know Liszt. If its a Mahler symphony some of the people may view non-symphonic music or over-the-top virtuoso music as lesser music.

No one knows those Liszt concerto's so no one cares.

Quality doesn't equal popularity. I am not sure what happened. Liszt probably didn't finish them, they didn't get published, he himself didn't play them. No one else played them etc.

The most famous pianists aren't the best pianists. The most famous music isn't the best music. Therefore music can be totally unknown and very good.

Now considering the classical culture consists mainly of western higher class old rich people  cherishing their traditions, you will realise music quality doesn't matter.

If record companies worked together and and tried to promote on of those concerto's who knows what may happen. Maybe all mayor news channels would tell the world about the new discovery: "Liszts third piano concerto". Just like they do with Bach. Then everyone would rave about this new work. Record companies would rush and find pianists willing to record the work. The new progedy pianist, Lang Lang, Yundi Li, or Kissing would record it and everyone would buy it. Then everyone would want to see it in concert. etc etc

Face it - if music is great, it cannot possibly stay unknown throughout all these generations.

What do you think happened with Bach? This is very bluntly untrue. Really, classical music does quite well on this topic because it has so many musicians, scholars, experts, professors, critics etc. But what do you think happens in other styles of music?

[pita bread]

Face it - if music is great, it cannot possibly stay unknown throughout all these generations.

Not if the composer was a hermit.

[viking]

prometheus does have a good point.  I just recently picked up a CD of 2 piano concerti composed by Scherwenka and Sauer.  I was quite skeptical getting the CD because of course, I hadent heard the works.  These 2 composers were both born mid 1800s and died in about 1920.  To my pleasant suprise, these are magnificant Concerti, and while looking closer I saw on the CD that these were the first recordings of both concerti!  I read more and the record company had a foundation that revived much neglected, yet wonderful concerti.  It was quite interesting.  I guess if people are too lazy the record companies have to do it for them.
SAM

[dbrainiak914]

Could you send a recording to me?  Thanks so much!
dbrainiak914(at)gmail.com

[ralessi]

If you could send it to me as well!!!! Musikid10@aol.com thanks!

Cheers!
Ricky