Grades

[•ÇØM]

Does anyone know the grades for any of these pieces or even better a way that i can find out? I know the grades for most of them but i just want to verify something to someone. (they're not in any kind of order)

I'm not really expecting the grades for all of these pieces. Thanks

Fur Elise
Moonlight Sonata 1st mvt
Pathetique 2nd mvt
Waltz Op. 64 No. 1 “Minute Waltz”
Nocturne Op. 9 No. 2
Prelude Op. 28 No. 15 “Raindrop Prelude”
Ronda Alla Turca (Turkish March)
Waltz Op. 70 No. 1
Pathetique 3rd mvt
Impromptu Op. 90 No. 3
Etude Op. 10 No. 12 “Revolutionary Etude”
Moonlight Sonata 3rd mvt
Nocturne Op. 55 No. 1

Liebestraume/ Nocturne No. 3 “Love Dream”
Prelude Op. 23 No. 5
Etude Op. 25 No. 1 “Aeolian Harp Etude”
Rhapsody Op. 79 No. 2
Piano Sonata Op. 31 No. 2 “Tempest” 3rd mvt
Etude Op. 10 No. 1
Prelude Op. 3 No. 2
Impromptu Op. 90 No. 2
Piano Sonata Op. 31 No. 2 “Tempest” 1st mvt
Etude Op. 10 No. 3
Etude Op. 10 No. 11
Piano Sonata Op. 31 No. 2 “Tempest” 2nd mvt
Flight of the Bumble Bee
Etude Op. 10 No. 8
Etude Op. 10 No. 4
Etude Op. 25 No. 12 “Ocean Etude”
Fantaisie Impromptu Op. 66
Pathetique 1st mvt

Etude Op. 25 No. 11 “Winter Wind Etude”
Symphony Op. 67 No. 5 piano transcribed
Etude No. 3 “La Campanella”
Un Sospiro
Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2
Piano Sonata Op. 57 No. 23 3rd mvt “Appassionata”
Etude Op. 42 No. 5
Moment Musical Op. 16 No. 4

[bernhard]

Fur Elise – Grade 4
Moonlight Sonata 1st mvt – Grade 6
Pathetique 2nd mvt – grade 7
Waltz Op. 64 No. 1 “Minute Waltz” – grade 7
Nocturne Op. 9 No. 2 – grade 7
Prelude Op. 28 No. 15 “Raindrop Prelude” – grade 7
Ronda Alla Turca (Turkish March) – grade 7
Waltz Op. 70 No. 1 – Grade 8+
Pathetique 3rd mvt - Advanced
Impromptu Op. 90 No. 3 – Grade 8+
Etude Op. 10 No. 12 “Revolutionary Etude” – Grade 8+
Moonlight Sonata 3rd mvt - advanced
Nocturne Op. 55 No. 1 – grade 7

Liebestraume/ Nocturne No. 3 “Love Dream” – grade 8
Prelude Op. 23 No. 5  - Rach? If so, grade 8+
Etude Op. 25 No. 1 “Aeolian Harp Etude” – grade 8+
Rhapsody Op. 79 No. 2 – Brahms? If so, grade 8
Piano Sonata Op. 31 No. 2 “Tempest” 3rd mvt
Etude Op. 10 No. 1 - Advanced
Prelude Op. 3 No. 2 – Rach? If so, grade 8
Impromptu Op. 90 No. 2 – grade 8
Piano Sonata Op. 31 No. 2 “Tempest” 1st mvt - Advanced
Etude Op. 10 No. 3 – Grade 8+
Etude Op. 10 No. 11 - Advanced
Piano Sonata Op. 31 No. 2 “Tempest” 2nd mvt – Grade 8
Flight of the Bumble Bee – Grade 8
Etude Op. 10 No. 8 - Advanced
Etude Op. 10 No. 4 - Advanced
Etude Op. 25 No. 12 “Ocean Etude” – Advanced
Fantaisie Impromptu Op. 66 – Grade 8+
Pathetique 1st mvt - Advanced

Etude Op. 25 No. 11 “Winter Wind Etude” - Advanced
Symphony Op. 67 No. 5 piano transcribed – Composer?
Etude No. 3 “La Campanella” - Advanced
Un Sospiro - Advanced
Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2 - Advanced
Piano Sonata Op. 57 No. 23 3rd mvt “Appassionata” - Advanced
Etude Op. 42 No. 5 – Composer?
Moment Musical Op. 16 No. 4 – Grade 7

For grades, have a look here:

https://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,5078.msg48203.html#msg48203
(summary of links for graded pieces)

Best wishes,
Bernhard.

[phil13]

Symphony Op. 67 No. 5 piano transcribed – Composer?

Etude Op. 42 No. 5 – Composer?



Best wishes,
Bernhard.

Op.67 No.5 is Beethoven's 5th transcribed by Liszt, I think. Etude Op.42 No.5 is Scriabin.

Hope this helps, Bernhard.

Phil

[bernhard]

Op.67 No.5 is Beethoven's 5th transcribed by Liszt, I think. Etude Op.42 No.5 is Scriabin.

Hope this helps, Bernhard.

Phil

It does. Thanks

They are both advanced.

(By the way, grades are ABRSM, varying from 1 to 8 )

Best wishes,
Bernhard.

[•ÇØM]

Thank you so very much Bernhard.

[bernhard]

You are welcome

[thierry13]

Do you play all those?

[•ÇØM]

Do you play all those?

Nope. It'll be awesome if i could though.

[nanabush]

Ur saying the Third Pathetique movement is higher level than Revolutionary etude?  Does advanced mean higher than 8+?  I use RCM grading so not familiar...

[•ÇØM]

Ur saying the Third Pathetique movement is higher level than Revolutionary etude?  Does advanced mean higher than 8+?  I use RCM grading so not familiar...

Probably but thats according to ABRSM's grading.

[bernhard]

Ur saying the Third Pathetique movement is higher level than Revolutionary etude?  Does advanced mean higher than 8+?  I use RCM grading so not familiar...

ABRSM grading system:

grade 1 - early elementary (e.g. Musette from the A.M. Bach book)
grade 2 - elementary (e.g. Schumann "Melody" op. 68 no. 1)
grade 3 - late elementary (e.g. Burgmuller "Innocence", op. 100 no. 5)
grade 4 - early intermediate (e.g. Beethoven "Fur Elise")
grade 5 - intermediate (J. S. Bach easier Two voice inventions)
grade 6 - late intermediate (e.g. Chopin prelude op.28 no. 15)
grade 7 - early advanced (e.g. Schumann "Arabesque")
grade 8 - advanced (e.g. Debussy "Arabesque" no. 1)

as you can see, grade 8 (in spite of its name) barely starts to touch on the really difficult piano repertory. If the piece is just a bit above grade 8 (and therefore challenging to someone who is at grade 8 level but still manageable with effort and practice), then I used grade 8+ (which is not an ABRSM option by the way). Anything far above that is "advanced".

Remember that difficulty is subjective and not set in stone. If you disagree with my grading, by all means post your own. 

Best wishes,
Bernhard.

[al]

If the piece is just a bit above grade 8 (and therefore challenging to someone who is at grade 8 level but still manageable with effort and practice), then I used grade 8+ (which is not an ABRSM option by the way).

If it helps, most of the pieces rated by Bernhard at 'grade 8+' are about DipABRSM (usually just called 'diploma') standard, which is the next level after grade 8.  There are two higher levels than this (LRSM and FRSM), where most of the pieces rated 'advanced' would fall.

[luc]

What?? Rondo alla Turca grade 7? Really?
Why?

[pseudopianist]

Well played up to speed it can be quite tricky. But since many people play quite slow I think it could rate as a grade 6

[mephisto]

Prelude Op. 23 No. 5  - Rach? If so, grade 8+

Moment Musical Op. 16 No. 4 – Grade 7

Best wishes,
Bernhard.

Is the moments musical the one composed by Rachmaninoff?
Altough I haven`t played it I had never tought that it was easier than the prelude wich I am almost finished with. If you are refering to the one composed by Rcahmaninoff then I would be very glad

-The Mephisto

[bernhard]

Is the moments musical the one composed by Rachmaninoff?
Altough I haven`t played it I had never tought that it was easier than the prelude wich I am almost finished with. If you are refering to the one composed by Rcahmaninoff then I would be very glad

-The Mephisto

Sorry,  You are right, I am wrong. I glanced at it and did not pay much attention to the opus number and assumed s/he meant  Schubert's op. 94 no. 4.

Rach's is far more difficult (advanced).

Best wishes,
Bernhard.

[pseudopianist]

We still love you!

[stevie]

Sorry,  You are right, I am wrong. I glanced at it and did not pay much attention to the opus number and assumed s/he meant  Schubert's op. 94 no. 4.

Rach's is far more difficult (advanced).

Best wishes,
Bernhard.

i was going to say...

and the flight of the bumblebee, you are assuming its the rach transcription i presume?

if that is grade 8, what is the cziffra transcription?

or even the hamelin transcription, which is harder?

[llamaman]

Wouldn't it be the original by R-K?

[aqu01rius]

Are there any graded list for popular sheet music?

[stevie]

Wouldn't it be the original by R-K?

the original was part of an opera was it not?

[jehangircama]

What grade would you say the Liszt Rhapsodies come under according to the ABRSM? specifically no.2, 6 and spanish rhapsody?

[llamaman]

Yes, it was from Tsar Saltan, which R-K composed the music to. I think...

[thierry13]

Yes, it was from Tsar Saltan, which R-K composed the music to. I think...

Exactly

[bernhard]

What grade would you say the Liszt Rhapsodies come under according to the ABRSM? specifically no.2, 6 and spanish rhapsody?

They would be well outside the grades, that is well above grade 8 and described as very advanced repertory.

[lufia]

I beg to differ.. rondo alla turca is grade 8 and so is the minute waltz

[pseudopianist]

That I really disagree on. Minute waltz, maybe a very easy 8 but not Rondo Alla Turca

[Skeptopotamus]

lufia: wrong. 

[jehangircama]

i think that the minute waltz was there once in grade 8. turkish march probably grade 6-7, though it does have a few technical difficulties....

[bernhard]

Er… This is all subjective. It is not as if musicologists had come up with an operational definition of difficulty, an associated standard unit and a “difficultimeter” to compare the standard unit with any piece’s difficulty, and by so doing arrive at an accurate grade with so many significant digits.

It is perfectly all right to disagree with someone’s taking on the difficulty of a piece.

Usually it says more about that person’s perception of the difficulty than about the piece’s difficulty proper.

Now, be friends again.

Best wishes,
Bernhard.