Hahah, wow! Been a while. Thanks for the replies people. That was a funny story Bernhard, I've also discovered learning to be pretty much attitude myself. Before all, learning is curiousity (the reason why school sucks, as you implied with people who learn "with obedience" for ten years without accomplishing much). If I am really interested in something, learning it comes effortlessly - on the other hand if I'm not, I have hard time even concentrating on it for several seconds. Adults often have difficulty learning in general because they somehow think they're complete and have suppressed their natural ways to learn and try to rationalize everything in words instead of understanding the subject in it's purest forms.
This is very true: Interest is the key to everything.Yet most people do not realise that interest is not externally generated. One can actually get interested at will, if one puts enough effort into it.Interest actually is far more powerful then motivation. If you are interested you do not need to be motivated.Best wishes,Bernhard.
I have read this thread with great interest as I am also an adult beginner. I suspect that Bernhard is right in asserting that it is possible for a person at *any* age to acquire advanced piano technique. I recall, also, that he posted a report about one of his students, a woman over 60, who acquired a considerable repertoire, including Mozart's "Vous dirais-je Maman" variations, within just one year. He has now added that he has brought several adult students to the level of the advanced repertory. This is very encouraging. Now I wonder if we could have a little more detail: how long did these adult students take, and what were the key items in the advanced repertory that they learned to play? I ask this because this would serve as a long-term aim for those of us who are adult beginners.Thanks, Willkowskitz, for starting the thread, and thanks again, Bernhard, for your sage advice.Regards,Peter Moll
How long? It depends ultimately on the student: How much time and effort s/he is prepared to put into learning to play the piano (or any other subject for that matter). How willing they are to obey instructions (even when they make no sense or fly in the face of common sense). How much “talent” (by that I mean mostly intelligence/memory/co-ordination, since these things can vary quite a lot amongst individuals) they have. In my (limited) experience I hav ebeen very successful in gbringin students of all ages from no musical knowledge to playing grade 8 pieces (e.g. most Scarlatti sonatas, most Chopin’s waltzes and Nocturnes, most Mendelssonh’s songs without words) in 1 – 3 years.Key items? To me the most important subjects to impart to students are sight-reading, scales/chords/intervals and how they are put together and how to practise. Once the student has mastered these three subjects (which incidentally should not take more than six months to master) and can apply them to repertory, the sky is the limit. I also attribute my success in large part (99%) to the fact that my students have daily lessons. Is that what you are asking?Also have a look at this thread where Chris repertory has asked a very interesting question.https://www.pianoforum.net/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=teac;action=display;num=1091479311Best wishes,Bernhard.