What's the ULTIMATE 75 min program?

[Rach3]

My mistake! Apologies Ed, I was thinking of the Pathetique, from a different post somewhere else.

[Rach3]

In my defence, it IS 4:01 AM here, and I've been posting half the night.

[schnabels_grandson]

If that's the case, the second movement is definitely more popular.

[Rach3]

Yes, I know, I've been arguing that for hours.

[schnabels_grandson]

lol  

[eddie92099]

,
Ed

P.s. You know I'm never wrong  .

[cziffra]

maybe you should check out that post about masturbation, ed.  

[eddie92099]

maybe you should check out that post about masturbation, ed.  

You're so witty,
Ed

[IgnazPaderewski]

New idea -

Liszt  - Paripolomenes (probably spelt wrong - its the original two movement Dante sonata)
Liszt- Sonata in B minor
Liszt - Dante Sonata

[thracozaag]

New idea -

Liszt  - Paripolomenes (probably spelt wrong - its the original two movement Dante sonata)
Liszt- Sonata in B minor
Liszt - Dante Sonata

 uhh...no thanks.

[IgnazPaderewski]

Oh come on, give it a try... Open wide  

[thracozaag]

Oh come on, give it a try... Open wide  

 haha, three trips to hell and back are at least two too many for me.

[steveolongfingers]

My mistake! Apologies Ed, I was thinking of the Pathetique, from a different post somewhere else.

Sonata Pathetique is one of the most overrated sonata's for piano.  Its 2nd movement is memorable the first time you hear/play it, but a million times later i wish it would be shot.  Other than the fact that everyone plays it, its so easy, for gods sake i learned the whole thing in less than 2 weeks when i was 15 cause my grandpa wanted it as a birthday present!

I know this has nothing to do with the topic, i just like being heard, its the Irish in me

[Rach3]

"Moonlight" is even more underrated. Many of his sonatas, of course, are underrated as individuals, such as the F# major.

[IgnazPaderewski]

You have a point, thracozaag.

How about Mozart k330-333 inclusive? I'd love to hear them in succession. With dante sonata as an encore (only joking! )

[shatteringpulse]

How about the last of what Ogdon had in his repertoire after his mental collapse?

Gaspard de la Nuit (Ravel)
Totentanz Solo Piano (Liszt)
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Pictures at an Exhibition (Mr. M)

Hey, does anyone know where to find the solo piano version of Totentanz? Is it anywhere online or do I have to order it from some obscure retailer? LOL

[eddie92099]

Hey, does anyone know where to find the solo piano version of Totentanz? Is it anywhere online or do I have to order it from some obscure retailer? LOL

I've seen it for sale in Kensington Music Shop. If you live in London that is very helpful. If you don't, it is very unhelpful. It does exist though  ,
Ed

[steveolongfingers]

I

Steveolongfingers - which Schubert f minor impromptu op. 142? There are two. The fourth one has the death-defying coda. I still can't play it.

But then the first one has the lyrical middle section... Why not play both?
Rach 2

the first one.....why not play the second one??? I think you just turned me off it, for god's sake im taking my ARCT i dont have the time to learn any more songs for fun!

[Noah]

im taking my ARCT i dont have the time to learn any more songs for fun!

Haha, so you're singing ? Sorry, this was just to increase my post count... and prevent Ed getting an easy one . But then I know you're gonna post something to reply to this now. Oh well.  

[eddie92099]

Haha, so you're singing ? Sorry, this was just to increase my post count... and prevent Ed getting an easy one . But then I know you're gonna post something to reply to this now. Oh well.  

No comment,
Ed  

[steveolongfingers]

Haha, so you're singing ? Sorry, this was just to increase my post count... and prevent Ed getting an easy one . But then I know you're gonna post something to reply to this now. Oh well.  

Im lost :-/, its for piano in canada?!?!

[eddie92099]

Im lost :-/, its for piano in canada?!?!

,
Ed

[Noah]

No comment,
Ed  

I knew it !

[eddie92099]

I knew it !

Am I that predictable? ,
Ed

[erak]

I predict that there will be an ",Ed" under every post of yours!

(ha, not funny)

[eddie92099]

I predict that there will be an ",Ed" under every post of yours!

What if I change my name to Martha?
Ed

[eddie92099]

What if I change my name to Martha?
Ed

Like so,
Martha

[Beethoven87]

That's so witty it hurts.

[eddie92099]

That's so witty it hurts.

Give me some credit, I haven't had much sleep ,
Ed

[erak]

2004, Ed changes his name into Martha... great.

[beethoartok]

adding ravel's sonatine would be a nice change in variety

[pbr2005]

play "Those Endearing Young Charms" and then blow yourself up, ala Daffy Duck!

J/K - OK - How about...

Start with some Bagatelles, Beethoven, then...
Op.111
               Intermission
Liszt: Sonata
          Three Transcendentals - nos. 10, 11, 12

The End (Truly)

[Rach3]

What is with you people doing crazy things like finishing the first half of a recital with op. 111, and then going on and playing liszt? I swear, there are at least three such  recitals named in this thread. Unbelievable!

In case anyone hasn't noticed, this would be a terrible thing to do.

[apion]

CHOPIN, Minute Waltz
BRAHMS, Piano Concerto no. 1 op. 15
BRAHMS, Variations and Fugue on a Theme by Handel op. 24

(intermission)

BRAHMS, Piano Concerto no. 2, op. 83
BRAHMS, Paganini Variations

[pianomann1984]

Bach/Rachmaninov      Suite from Partita in E, BWV 1006              9'

Beethoven                 Sonata No. 2 in A, Op. 2 No. 2                  25'

Chopin                      Ballade No 4 in F minor, Op 52                   10'

{INTERVAL}

Debussy                    Masques                                                5'
                               D' Un Cahier D' Esquisses                           4'
                               L' Isle Joyeuse                                         6'

Liszt                         Rhapsody Espagnole                                 15'

I will be performing this recital this summer at an outdoor event (possibly without the Chopin, as it's not a particularly summery/outdoorsy piece!).

Opinions please???

Many Thanks,

Chris

[pianomann1984]

CHOPIN, Minute Waltz
BRAHMS, Piano Concerto no. 1 op. 15
BRAHMS, Variations and Fugue on a Theme by Handel op. 24

(intermission)

BRAHMS, Piano Concerto no. 2, op. 83
BRAHMS, Paganini Variations

forgive me for wondering, but is this not a little longer than 75 mins, and a little closer to about 150 mins?!!!

[argerich_smitten]

The ultimate recital for me

Chopin etudes opus 10 # 1 & 2

Liszt sonata

intermission

Liszt sonata

Rach3, just out of curiousity why is it so rediculous to close one half with opus 111 and then close the second half with the liszt sonata?  It sounds like you think the sonata (by the way, the Liszt sonata has been deemed  the sonata and all other sonatas need to be referred to by name) just pales in comparison to opus 111, which I really don't think is the case

[apion]

forgive me for wondering, but is this not a little longer than 75 mins, and a little closer to about 150 mins?!!!

Drats    ........ that f##king stopwatch is misbehaving again .........   

[musicsdarkangel]

for me personally.....



Chopin etudes (Winter, Ocean)

Debussy - suite pour le piano

Rachmaninoff B flat minor sonata

Mozart  Sonata k 284 D maj

Liszt  La Campanella
Martha

[musicsdarkangel]

Isn't it funny how the same pieces keep coming up! I was very tempted to put Rachmaninov's Second Sonata in my programme as well,
Ed

That's because it is genius. 
Martha

[pianomann1984]

Drats    ........ that f##king stopwatch is misbehaving again .........   

lol.  i'll buy you a new one! 

[porilo]

How about an Alkan programme of the whole of the Op 39 minor key studies with the interval coming between the Symphony and the Concerto ?   

Gregory

[paris]

another idea

rachmaninoff op.33 Eflat major etude
chopin op.10/1  op.25/12
chopin nocturne op.48 n.2
papandopulo study n.1
chopin polonaise op.44
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chopin scherzo b minor (or b flat)
liszt dante sonata 
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encore islamey

[paris]

oh i forgot, maybe i can squeeze liszt-gounod faust waltz

[Rach3]

Rach3, just out of curiousity why is it so rediculous to close one half with opus 111 and then close the second half with the liszt sonata?  It sounds like you think the sonata (by the way, the Liszt sonata has been deemed  the sonata and all other sonatas need to be referred to by name) just pales in comparison to opus 111, which I really don't think is the case

The heck it is. The Liszt sonata certainly does pale in comparison to op. 111 - so much so that I don't see the point in comparing them. The b minor, while original (albeit repetitive and unbalanced - and yes way too long imho), cannot be compared to the apothetical masterpiece that is Beethoven's farewell to the piano... simply no comparison. While I'm at it, the Liszt sonata is really overplayed, and maybe overrated... and as nice as it may be, the Chopin and Schumann (for example) are a lot better.

PS. The reason it's senseless to put op111 in the middle of a program is because it is incredibly final... it is in so many ways an 'end', that it's ridiculous to follow that arietta with anything at all (other than reverent silence), let alone Liszt.

[porilo]

I've never heard of Papandopulo ........... any more info please?

Thanks.

Gregory

[paris]

he's a croatian composer, try on google 'boris papandopulo'
his stuffs are pretty fun for play, he is contemporary composer, but he's not alive, i think he died in 1991.

[porilo]

Thanks - I shall do some searching.   

Gregory

[pianomann1984]

The heck it is. The Liszt sonata certainly does pale in comparison to op. 111 - so much so that I don't see the point in comparing them. The b minor, while original (albeit repetitive and unbalanced - and yes way too long imho),

I disagree.  The Liszt is perfectly balanced.  The only reason it is repetetive is because it is so equisitely constructed, as is the Beethoven (they are equally well written - infact, I would say the Liszt is more pianistic, and less excentric).  However it is very much a 2nd half piece on its own, whereas I think I would put Op 111 at the end of a 1st Half, in fact, how about:

Bach               English Suite/Partita

Beethoven        Sonata Op 111

INTERVAL

Liszt                Sonata in B minor

I think this would work pretty well as a recital.

[argerich_smitten]

Though I admit I am perhaps a little overly obsessed with the sonata, the only other sonata I would accept is as good (maybe important is a better word) or better than the liszt is Beethoven's Hammerklavier.  In fact, i'd stretch that statement from mere piano sonatas to all human accomplishments perhaps.  I think the Liszt sonata is as intelectually complex as Hammer Klavier is emotionally complex.  It doesn't pale at all in comparison to 111; well at least I don't see why it would (I give you that the liszt sonata does not contain the emotional depth, but it is deeper in numerous other levels).  Just analyzing the structure of the liszt sonata makes me cry for how beautiful and creatively constructed it is.  Then considering the likely 'story' that was going through Liszt's head when he wrote it is another  miraculous aspect of the piece. 



The reason the liszt sonata is 'overplayed' is because the pianists have internationally come to realize the superiority of playing it to every other activity that a human can partake of.